What makes the bicycles in Amsterdam suitable for riding with jeans on?











up vote
7
down vote

favorite
1












What makes the bicycles in Amsterdam suitable for riding with jeans on?



The Dutch are known to wear regular clothes while cycling rather than cycling specific clothing.



Some of the cyclists were wearing jeans in the picture.



In cycling forums, people often say that jeans are uncomfortable for cycling especially in the rain. When jeans are wet, friction increases which can cause chafing and increase the wear and tear on the jeans and the saddle. The Dutch must have a way of wearing jeans comfortably since regular clothes include jeans. Cycling friendly pants tend to be silkier and thinner so that friction decreases, and more flexible so that there's less pressure on our perineum. Even with a saddle cutout, the seams on jeans can put too much pressure there.



I'm thinking that these are the possible factors:




  • Saddle height

  • Saddle setback

  • Upright posture

  • Cadence

  • Power

  • Coasting percentage

  • Saddle shape

  • Pants sold in the Netherlands tend to be more cycling friendly such as
    jeans with softer seams

  • The commuting times are too short for the discomfort to develop


Also, can you have a fast or powerful human powered bike that's jeans friendly? Like hybrid, cyclocross, MTB, and road bikes.



Someone who's into fitness and speed, bikes to work, and wouldn't want to carry an extra pair of pants would be interested in getting that answer.










share|improve this question


















  • 4




    Can you estimate the speed they are riding in your picture from Holland? That is the key, and it is not compatible with your requirements: "Someone who's into fitness and speed, bikes to work, and wouldn't want to carry an extra pair of pants[.]"
    – gschenk
    2 days ago






  • 4




    Keep in mind that your question seems to cross the biking-for-useful-transportation vs. biking-as-a-sport line, which will get answers targeting either one instead of why you see something that might look unfamiliar.
    – John Keates
    yesterday






  • 5




    same answer as to why do people walk around in a city in jeans rather than hiking pants, and don't carry poles and a camelbak everywhere.
    – njzk2
    9 hours ago






  • 4




    Have you ever seen a bike unsuitable to ride with jeans on? Because I've never seen one...
    – 9ilsdx 9rvj 0lo
    6 hours ago






  • 4




    This is one of those nice culture-clash questions. I had no idea anyone could find that picture strange. Maybe I need to find a stack exchange to ask the corresponding question: "Why would someone think this is odd?"
    – pipe
    5 hours ago

















up vote
7
down vote

favorite
1












What makes the bicycles in Amsterdam suitable for riding with jeans on?



The Dutch are known to wear regular clothes while cycling rather than cycling specific clothing.



Some of the cyclists were wearing jeans in the picture.



In cycling forums, people often say that jeans are uncomfortable for cycling especially in the rain. When jeans are wet, friction increases which can cause chafing and increase the wear and tear on the jeans and the saddle. The Dutch must have a way of wearing jeans comfortably since regular clothes include jeans. Cycling friendly pants tend to be silkier and thinner so that friction decreases, and more flexible so that there's less pressure on our perineum. Even with a saddle cutout, the seams on jeans can put too much pressure there.



I'm thinking that these are the possible factors:




  • Saddle height

  • Saddle setback

  • Upright posture

  • Cadence

  • Power

  • Coasting percentage

  • Saddle shape

  • Pants sold in the Netherlands tend to be more cycling friendly such as
    jeans with softer seams

  • The commuting times are too short for the discomfort to develop


Also, can you have a fast or powerful human powered bike that's jeans friendly? Like hybrid, cyclocross, MTB, and road bikes.



Someone who's into fitness and speed, bikes to work, and wouldn't want to carry an extra pair of pants would be interested in getting that answer.










share|improve this question


















  • 4




    Can you estimate the speed they are riding in your picture from Holland? That is the key, and it is not compatible with your requirements: "Someone who's into fitness and speed, bikes to work, and wouldn't want to carry an extra pair of pants[.]"
    – gschenk
    2 days ago






  • 4




    Keep in mind that your question seems to cross the biking-for-useful-transportation vs. biking-as-a-sport line, which will get answers targeting either one instead of why you see something that might look unfamiliar.
    – John Keates
    yesterday






  • 5




    same answer as to why do people walk around in a city in jeans rather than hiking pants, and don't carry poles and a camelbak everywhere.
    – njzk2
    9 hours ago






  • 4




    Have you ever seen a bike unsuitable to ride with jeans on? Because I've never seen one...
    – 9ilsdx 9rvj 0lo
    6 hours ago






  • 4




    This is one of those nice culture-clash questions. I had no idea anyone could find that picture strange. Maybe I need to find a stack exchange to ask the corresponding question: "Why would someone think this is odd?"
    – pipe
    5 hours ago















up vote
7
down vote

favorite
1









up vote
7
down vote

favorite
1






1





What makes the bicycles in Amsterdam suitable for riding with jeans on?



The Dutch are known to wear regular clothes while cycling rather than cycling specific clothing.



Some of the cyclists were wearing jeans in the picture.



In cycling forums, people often say that jeans are uncomfortable for cycling especially in the rain. When jeans are wet, friction increases which can cause chafing and increase the wear and tear on the jeans and the saddle. The Dutch must have a way of wearing jeans comfortably since regular clothes include jeans. Cycling friendly pants tend to be silkier and thinner so that friction decreases, and more flexible so that there's less pressure on our perineum. Even with a saddle cutout, the seams on jeans can put too much pressure there.



I'm thinking that these are the possible factors:




  • Saddle height

  • Saddle setback

  • Upright posture

  • Cadence

  • Power

  • Coasting percentage

  • Saddle shape

  • Pants sold in the Netherlands tend to be more cycling friendly such as
    jeans with softer seams

  • The commuting times are too short for the discomfort to develop


Also, can you have a fast or powerful human powered bike that's jeans friendly? Like hybrid, cyclocross, MTB, and road bikes.



Someone who's into fitness and speed, bikes to work, and wouldn't want to carry an extra pair of pants would be interested in getting that answer.










share|improve this question













What makes the bicycles in Amsterdam suitable for riding with jeans on?



The Dutch are known to wear regular clothes while cycling rather than cycling specific clothing.



Some of the cyclists were wearing jeans in the picture.



In cycling forums, people often say that jeans are uncomfortable for cycling especially in the rain. When jeans are wet, friction increases which can cause chafing and increase the wear and tear on the jeans and the saddle. The Dutch must have a way of wearing jeans comfortably since regular clothes include jeans. Cycling friendly pants tend to be silkier and thinner so that friction decreases, and more flexible so that there's less pressure on our perineum. Even with a saddle cutout, the seams on jeans can put too much pressure there.



I'm thinking that these are the possible factors:




  • Saddle height

  • Saddle setback

  • Upright posture

  • Cadence

  • Power

  • Coasting percentage

  • Saddle shape

  • Pants sold in the Netherlands tend to be more cycling friendly such as
    jeans with softer seams

  • The commuting times are too short for the discomfort to develop


Also, can you have a fast or powerful human powered bike that's jeans friendly? Like hybrid, cyclocross, MTB, and road bikes.



Someone who's into fitness and speed, bikes to work, and wouldn't want to carry an extra pair of pants would be interested in getting that answer.







clothes pain






share|improve this question













share|improve this question











share|improve this question




share|improve this question










asked 2 days ago









Han-Lin

31927




31927








  • 4




    Can you estimate the speed they are riding in your picture from Holland? That is the key, and it is not compatible with your requirements: "Someone who's into fitness and speed, bikes to work, and wouldn't want to carry an extra pair of pants[.]"
    – gschenk
    2 days ago






  • 4




    Keep in mind that your question seems to cross the biking-for-useful-transportation vs. biking-as-a-sport line, which will get answers targeting either one instead of why you see something that might look unfamiliar.
    – John Keates
    yesterday






  • 5




    same answer as to why do people walk around in a city in jeans rather than hiking pants, and don't carry poles and a camelbak everywhere.
    – njzk2
    9 hours ago






  • 4




    Have you ever seen a bike unsuitable to ride with jeans on? Because I've never seen one...
    – 9ilsdx 9rvj 0lo
    6 hours ago






  • 4




    This is one of those nice culture-clash questions. I had no idea anyone could find that picture strange. Maybe I need to find a stack exchange to ask the corresponding question: "Why would someone think this is odd?"
    – pipe
    5 hours ago
















  • 4




    Can you estimate the speed they are riding in your picture from Holland? That is the key, and it is not compatible with your requirements: "Someone who's into fitness and speed, bikes to work, and wouldn't want to carry an extra pair of pants[.]"
    – gschenk
    2 days ago






  • 4




    Keep in mind that your question seems to cross the biking-for-useful-transportation vs. biking-as-a-sport line, which will get answers targeting either one instead of why you see something that might look unfamiliar.
    – John Keates
    yesterday






  • 5




    same answer as to why do people walk around in a city in jeans rather than hiking pants, and don't carry poles and a camelbak everywhere.
    – njzk2
    9 hours ago






  • 4




    Have you ever seen a bike unsuitable to ride with jeans on? Because I've never seen one...
    – 9ilsdx 9rvj 0lo
    6 hours ago






  • 4




    This is one of those nice culture-clash questions. I had no idea anyone could find that picture strange. Maybe I need to find a stack exchange to ask the corresponding question: "Why would someone think this is odd?"
    – pipe
    5 hours ago










4




4




Can you estimate the speed they are riding in your picture from Holland? That is the key, and it is not compatible with your requirements: "Someone who's into fitness and speed, bikes to work, and wouldn't want to carry an extra pair of pants[.]"
– gschenk
2 days ago




Can you estimate the speed they are riding in your picture from Holland? That is the key, and it is not compatible with your requirements: "Someone who's into fitness and speed, bikes to work, and wouldn't want to carry an extra pair of pants[.]"
– gschenk
2 days ago




4




4




Keep in mind that your question seems to cross the biking-for-useful-transportation vs. biking-as-a-sport line, which will get answers targeting either one instead of why you see something that might look unfamiliar.
– John Keates
yesterday




Keep in mind that your question seems to cross the biking-for-useful-transportation vs. biking-as-a-sport line, which will get answers targeting either one instead of why you see something that might look unfamiliar.
– John Keates
yesterday




5




5




same answer as to why do people walk around in a city in jeans rather than hiking pants, and don't carry poles and a camelbak everywhere.
– njzk2
9 hours ago




same answer as to why do people walk around in a city in jeans rather than hiking pants, and don't carry poles and a camelbak everywhere.
– njzk2
9 hours ago




4




4




Have you ever seen a bike unsuitable to ride with jeans on? Because I've never seen one...
– 9ilsdx 9rvj 0lo
6 hours ago




Have you ever seen a bike unsuitable to ride with jeans on? Because I've never seen one...
– 9ilsdx 9rvj 0lo
6 hours ago




4




4




This is one of those nice culture-clash questions. I had no idea anyone could find that picture strange. Maybe I need to find a stack exchange to ask the corresponding question: "Why would someone think this is odd?"
– pipe
5 hours ago






This is one of those nice culture-clash questions. I had no idea anyone could find that picture strange. Maybe I need to find a stack exchange to ask the corresponding question: "Why would someone think this is odd?"
– pipe
5 hours ago












10 Answers
10






active

oldest

votes

















up vote
46
down vote













In places where there are lots of bikes, most people who are riding them are making short journeys purely for transport. For a short ride of a few kilometers, it really doesn't matter what you're wearing. Any clothes that are comfortable to wear in general will be comfortable to wear on a bike for fifteen minutes.



People who are riding longer distances, pushing harder and aiming for fitness rather than just getting from A to B will start to consider clothing that's more oriented towards exercising and people who are going even farther and pushing even harder will start to wear cycling-specific clothing.



I see this exact thing when I cycle at home in Oxford. If I cycle directly into town, most of the people I see on bikes are just wearing whatever clothes will be appropriate at their destination. If I take a more circuitous route around the outskirts of town before heading into the centre through an area where not many people live, I see a lot of people wearing "general exercise" clothing. If I head away from town, out into the countryside, most of the cyclists I see are wearing clothing designed specifically for cycling.






share|improve this answer



















  • 4




    The same is the case in Cambridge - most people on bikes in the city centre are students going to university or sixth form, so they wear normal clothing. Occasionally you see someone in their gown, billowing out behind!
    – Tim
    yesterday






  • 8




    @LamarLatrell Read the second sentence of my answer. They're no more or less suitable for riding with jeans than any other bike.
    – David Richerby
    yesterday








  • 5




    I think the question would have to be reversed. What makes some bikes uncomfortable to ride with jeans in short calm rides. Since bikes that are uncomfortable, like fast road bikes, are exceptional.
    – gschenk
    yesterday






  • 2




    For those outside the UK: David (and @Tim) are probably the two most bike-friendly cities in England. They're also quite flat. The city I live in (Bristol, about 100km from David) is OK for cyclists but less so than Oxford or Cambridge, and much hillier. We get plenty of casually dressed bike commuters here too, in fact I'm in the minority getting changed.
    – Chris H
    yesterday






  • 3




    @DavidRicherby I beg to differ. Either I'm staring at the tarmac, which is unsafe and uninteresting, or I get a soar neck from having my head turned unnaturally.
    – gerrit
    4 hours ago


















up vote
23
down vote













Local here, have lived in Amsterdam for just over a year and a half, through the cold wet winter. I'm not a Dutchie, but have embraced the fiets lifestyle here.



Let me just say that the jeans you get in Amsterdam are the same as what you would buy anywhere else. I ride in Levis 511 jeans every day and have no problems. People here more or less ride in all sorts of clothing (that includes suits, dresses and high heels). You never really go that fast here in the city and you're always kind of stopping and starting, so regular clothes are fine.



When it rains (which happens a lot) most people either catch public transport or wear rainproof gear over their regular clothes. Some even use storm umbrellas. The philosophy here amongst the Dutchies is that there's no bad weather only bad clothing.



The bikes themselves are set up a bit differently here too:
- Every bike, almost without exception has mud guards or "fenders"
- The chain is almost always sealed inside a chainguard to avoid it getting too dirty, as well as the rider
- The vast majority of bikes are upright riding position, as you don't really tend to go that fast in Amsterdam with the cobblestones and narrow streets



In terms of type of bike, lightweight performance bikes don't last very long here and are not practical. What you mostly see are Omafiets, Papafiets, Mamafiets, Bakfiets and various heavy duty city commuter bikes. Powered bikes are also very popular here and often used to cut down travel times for longer distances.



Bikes here tend to be heavy duty so they don't get smashed up at the bike racks, low maintenance as they usually sit outside all the time and focused on comfort as it's not really an "activity" you plan for with specialised clothing but a primary way to get around, with most journeys not being longer than 20 minutes or so.



Outside of the cities you'll see plenty of lycra clad cyclists on their lightweight performance bikes cycling more for recreation on weekends etc.






share|improve this answer








New contributor




Karl is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.














  • 1




    Yep, this is pretty much what we do in The Netherlands. As a Dutch citizen myself in generally smaller cities we do the same thing. Biking isn't a special occasion, and together with walking just a highly efficient way to get around. For certain destinations or activities you'd still use a car (say, weekly household groceries, moving furniture or most distances above 15Km, or destinations without good public transportation). But most of the time you'll see people using a bike wearing whatever they happen to be wearing.
    – John Keates
    yesterday










  • Are you saying that to cycle fast, we should do vehicular cycling? This writer didn't seem to think that Dutch cycle paths are holding us up. aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2013/02/26/…
    – Han-Lin
    yesterday










  • Apart from mud guards / fenders, don't forget the skirt guards! For a time, I thought that those were the same, until I realised not all bicycles have mud guards / fenders.
    – gerrit
    4 hours ago




















up vote
21
down vote













Jeans aren't as bad as you think. I think the biggest factors are short journeys, mild climate, and being used to it. With efficient infrastructure this can account for a lot of commuting. Apart from the efficient infrastructure that covers most bike commuting in the UK as well, and most people here don't get changed.



I sometimes don't get the chance to get changed and have to commute in normal jeans for up to about 30 minutes, even an hour in the past (up to about 15km in traffic). In the UK we have a similar climate to the Netherlands. In the dry, and if its not too hot, it's not uncomfortable, on a hybrid or tourer. On the latter I'm not generally going flat out, or using the drops, because of the traffic.



Riding in wet jeans for more than a few minutes does start to rub, and can get cold when you stop. I get too hot for overtrousers, which is a further reason I prefer to get changed, but I also don't like to hang around. Keeping spare clothes in work deals with getting caught unawares. I don't recommend emulating my colleague who used a heat gun to dry her jeans while wearing them, though the one in my lab goes quite cool.



The main difference in bike design is that Dutch bikes have enough of a chain guard that you're not going to catch your jeans in the chain or get them dirty. Ankle straps/clips or simply tucking your trousers into your socks deals with this.



There's probably a form of selection bias going on - people who think and talk about what to wear on the bike are likely to have specialist clothing and choose to wear it. They're also likely to ride far enough that it's worth doing so.






share|improve this answer

















  • 1




    I also note that people dont cycle terribly fast in Amsterdam - as far as I have seen.
    – vikingsteve
    1 hour ago










  • @vikingsteve I believe that to be true. I'd probably find it quite frustrating
    – Chris H
    1 hour ago


















up vote
11
down vote













You are surely aware that there is an industry out there that tries to sell you things you only marginally 'need' - special clothing for any sport is not unaffected by that.



There is certainly a gain by wearing special cloth (and shoes) while biking, but unless you are seriously exercising or training for a competition, the difference is marginal.

Of course, in the respective forums you will find lots of people that are convinced otherwise, and will tell you (and themselves) it makes a world of difference.

Just try yourself with an open mind.






share|improve this answer








New contributor




Aganju is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.














  • 3




    I disagree. With a road bike and a hard saddle, I find my ass gets sore if I ride for more than a couple of hours without proper padded shorts. I also ride a lot faster in properly fitted cycling clothes. Obviously, none of this is relevant to commuting in town, but cycling shorts make a significant difference on rides that aren't "seriously exercising or training for a competition."
    – David Richerby
    yesterday






  • 3




    I agree. The casual riders in Amsterdam are not driven to go through the extra trouble of buying something specific just to look the part of a cool bike rider, then having to change clothes when they get to their destination.
    – Dale
    19 hours ago






  • 2




    @DavidRicherby: riding "for more than a couple of hours" is seriously exercising.
    – Jack Aidley
    4 hours ago










  • @Dale The first paragraph, to me, seems to be saying that nobody has more than a "marginal need" for sports-specific clothing and I disagree with that. As my answer makes clear, I do agree that pretty much any clothing is fine for a short ride and that most people in Amsterdam are making short rides.
    – David Richerby
    4 hours ago










  • @JackAidley It's perfectly possible to cycle at a relaxed pace for a few hours without ever really being out of breath. I wouldn't call that serious exercise.
    – David Richerby
    4 hours ago


















up vote
7
down vote













As someone who biked daily for transportation and recreation for years, I can tell you it doesn't take any miracle to do it in street clothes.



David Richerby already mentioned that most practical bike trips are short. Mine were usually 10-20 minutes. But many times I've gone on recreational rides of 2-4 hours. And I've never owned any special "biking clothes". The most I ever thought about clothing was when my jeans started getting worn out from occasional encounters with the gears!



It probably depends on the person, but many feel perfectly fine in street clothes.






share|improve this answer








New contributor




Nick S is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.














  • 1




    Everyone will draw the line (or rather lines) in a slightly different place. E.g. I only got bike-specific kit when I started riding over 100km (say 5 hours) regularly, but found sports clothing (which I already had) more reliably comfortable for many shorter trips (+1)
    – Chris H
    yesterday




















up vote
5
down vote













I've never been to Amsterdam, but I do remember reading a comment by someone from there once about what it was like. He said that people there tend to ride at a more leisurely pace, and everyone from all walks of life ride bikes. It's just ordinary people riding around to get to places.



In contrast, in non-cycle-friendly cities, cyclists ride hard to keep up with the traffic, and since there is some danger, it's mostly the more hardcore athletic types who ride.



If you are riding at a moderate pace and the weather is cool enough, then riding in jeans is fine.






share|improve this answer








New contributor




dan-gph is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.














  • 3




    "everyone from all walks of life ride bikes" is an understatement... Even the Royal Family, the Prime Minister, they all ride bicycles when they want to. The King's daughters ride their bikes to school, just like their class mates. I suppose the Security staff rides behind them. Only in Nederland... :-)
    – StessenJ
    yesterday


















up vote
1
down vote













It's just working. I do have proper biking pants, but I found that especially on more rough terrain (MTB, Enduro, Trail...) I often simply wear my Levis 501, both uphill and downhill, to avoid problems with twigs slashing either the trousers or my skin. No problems, so far, it feels perfectly fine.






share|improve this answer




























    up vote
    1
    down vote













    One of the more significant differences between a dutch city bike and a performance-focused road bike is the saddle.



    Saddles for transport tend to be larger and softer. That way not having padding isn't nearly as bad because the padding is built into the saddle.



    The chain is always protected by a guard to avoid loose pants getting caught in it and mangled.



    Fenders and mudflaps are also a constant fixture to deal with rain.



    On women's bikes there will sometimes be a skirt guard to protect said garment.



    The tires are on the chunkier side with lower pressure. This makes for a much more comfortable ride in general.






    share|improve this answer





















    • I've got a runabout with a big soft saddle. More than about 20 minutes on that in jeans and I can feel them rubbing, unlike a smaller saddle. But in gym shorts or bike tights the fat saddle is OK for considerably longer (if a little incongruous).
      – Chris H
      2 hours ago


















    up vote
    1
    down vote













    I will take the liberty to interpret the question slightly more broadly, on how bicycles are adapted for riding in ordinary clothes. Apart from raingear, I've never changed clothes for cycling in my life (not when I went on a 700 km bike tour either).



    Skirt guard / coat guard



    You don't really need fenders for cycling with jeans. All fenders do is stop you from getting wet and dirty, so you should want them with any type of clothing. However, people not only ride bicycles with jeans, but also with skirts (starting yearly on rokjesdag). With a skirt, dress, or long (over)coat, a skirt guard/coat guard prevents clothes from ending up in the spokes, which not only damages the clothes but may well lead to accidents.



    coat guard
    SkirtCoat guard. Source: Wikimedia Commons



    If you are commuting by bicycle and commuting in your normal clothes, as you should, and your normal clothes include anything that may get stuck in the spokes, a skirt guard / coat guard is recommended. As pointed out in the comments, the guard on the bicycle in the photo is unlikely to be intended for protection of long dresses, as a traditional "ladies bicycle" would have a lowered top tube to assist with the same.






    share|improve this answer



















    • 1




      Fun fact: the low top tube on women's bikes was originally to allow riding in skirt. On a bike like this, a skirt would give some unintended views :)
      – ojs
      1 hour ago










    • @ojs ?!? What other possible reason could there be for compromising the structure of the bike by lowering the top tube?
      – Martin Bonner
      1 hour ago










    • The lower top tube allows the skirt not to form a parachute-like shape making personal bodyparts public and it also allow the rider to pass the other leg "through" rather than "over" - another good feature for skirt-wearers.
      – Crowley
      50 mins ago










    • @ojs True that! Wikipedia says it's also known as a coat guard. I used to think that the Dutch word spatbord referred to this part, but it actually refers to the fenders.
      – gerrit
      41 mins ago










    • @MartinBonner When I first learned to ride a bicycle, I found the leg movement needed to place one leg on each side of the bicycle (for riding off) rather difficult, and appreciated a step-through frame.
      – gerrit
      36 mins ago


















    up vote
    0
    down vote













    There are sometimes heavy rains but most often it is only drizzling. Furthermore, there is no such thing as a whole day rain. It can rain several times half an hour per day and in between your cloth can dry out. Last but not least you can sit high (your foot is almost straight when pedalling) and you hold the handle by leaning forward (cover).



    If it is heavy rain then even the Dutch bike in additional raincoats and trousers or with umbrellas or they do not bike.






    share|improve this answer








    New contributor




    Tiger is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
    Check out our Code of Conduct.


















      Your Answer








      StackExchange.ready(function() {
      var channelOptions = {
      tags: "".split(" "),
      id: "126"
      };
      initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

      StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
      // Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
      if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
      StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
      createEditor();
      });
      }
      else {
      createEditor();
      }
      });

      function createEditor() {
      StackExchange.prepareEditor({
      heartbeatType: 'answer',
      convertImagesToLinks: false,
      noModals: true,
      showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
      reputationToPostImages: null,
      bindNavPrevention: true,
      postfix: "",
      imageUploader: {
      brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
      contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
      allowUrls: true
      },
      noCode: true, onDemand: true,
      discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
      ,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
      });


      }
      });














       

      draft saved


      draft discarded


















      StackExchange.ready(
      function () {
      StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fbicycles.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f58111%2fwhat-makes-the-bicycles-in-amsterdam-suitable-for-riding-with-jeans-on%23new-answer', 'question_page');
      }
      );

      Post as a guest















      Required, but never shown

























      10 Answers
      10






      active

      oldest

      votes








      10 Answers
      10






      active

      oldest

      votes









      active

      oldest

      votes






      active

      oldest

      votes








      up vote
      46
      down vote













      In places where there are lots of bikes, most people who are riding them are making short journeys purely for transport. For a short ride of a few kilometers, it really doesn't matter what you're wearing. Any clothes that are comfortable to wear in general will be comfortable to wear on a bike for fifteen minutes.



      People who are riding longer distances, pushing harder and aiming for fitness rather than just getting from A to B will start to consider clothing that's more oriented towards exercising and people who are going even farther and pushing even harder will start to wear cycling-specific clothing.



      I see this exact thing when I cycle at home in Oxford. If I cycle directly into town, most of the people I see on bikes are just wearing whatever clothes will be appropriate at their destination. If I take a more circuitous route around the outskirts of town before heading into the centre through an area where not many people live, I see a lot of people wearing "general exercise" clothing. If I head away from town, out into the countryside, most of the cyclists I see are wearing clothing designed specifically for cycling.






      share|improve this answer



















      • 4




        The same is the case in Cambridge - most people on bikes in the city centre are students going to university or sixth form, so they wear normal clothing. Occasionally you see someone in their gown, billowing out behind!
        – Tim
        yesterday






      • 8




        @LamarLatrell Read the second sentence of my answer. They're no more or less suitable for riding with jeans than any other bike.
        – David Richerby
        yesterday








      • 5




        I think the question would have to be reversed. What makes some bikes uncomfortable to ride with jeans in short calm rides. Since bikes that are uncomfortable, like fast road bikes, are exceptional.
        – gschenk
        yesterday






      • 2




        For those outside the UK: David (and @Tim) are probably the two most bike-friendly cities in England. They're also quite flat. The city I live in (Bristol, about 100km from David) is OK for cyclists but less so than Oxford or Cambridge, and much hillier. We get plenty of casually dressed bike commuters here too, in fact I'm in the minority getting changed.
        – Chris H
        yesterday






      • 3




        @DavidRicherby I beg to differ. Either I'm staring at the tarmac, which is unsafe and uninteresting, or I get a soar neck from having my head turned unnaturally.
        – gerrit
        4 hours ago















      up vote
      46
      down vote













      In places where there are lots of bikes, most people who are riding them are making short journeys purely for transport. For a short ride of a few kilometers, it really doesn't matter what you're wearing. Any clothes that are comfortable to wear in general will be comfortable to wear on a bike for fifteen minutes.



      People who are riding longer distances, pushing harder and aiming for fitness rather than just getting from A to B will start to consider clothing that's more oriented towards exercising and people who are going even farther and pushing even harder will start to wear cycling-specific clothing.



      I see this exact thing when I cycle at home in Oxford. If I cycle directly into town, most of the people I see on bikes are just wearing whatever clothes will be appropriate at their destination. If I take a more circuitous route around the outskirts of town before heading into the centre through an area where not many people live, I see a lot of people wearing "general exercise" clothing. If I head away from town, out into the countryside, most of the cyclists I see are wearing clothing designed specifically for cycling.






      share|improve this answer



















      • 4




        The same is the case in Cambridge - most people on bikes in the city centre are students going to university or sixth form, so they wear normal clothing. Occasionally you see someone in their gown, billowing out behind!
        – Tim
        yesterday






      • 8




        @LamarLatrell Read the second sentence of my answer. They're no more or less suitable for riding with jeans than any other bike.
        – David Richerby
        yesterday








      • 5




        I think the question would have to be reversed. What makes some bikes uncomfortable to ride with jeans in short calm rides. Since bikes that are uncomfortable, like fast road bikes, are exceptional.
        – gschenk
        yesterday






      • 2




        For those outside the UK: David (and @Tim) are probably the two most bike-friendly cities in England. They're also quite flat. The city I live in (Bristol, about 100km from David) is OK for cyclists but less so than Oxford or Cambridge, and much hillier. We get plenty of casually dressed bike commuters here too, in fact I'm in the minority getting changed.
        – Chris H
        yesterday






      • 3




        @DavidRicherby I beg to differ. Either I'm staring at the tarmac, which is unsafe and uninteresting, or I get a soar neck from having my head turned unnaturally.
        – gerrit
        4 hours ago













      up vote
      46
      down vote










      up vote
      46
      down vote









      In places where there are lots of bikes, most people who are riding them are making short journeys purely for transport. For a short ride of a few kilometers, it really doesn't matter what you're wearing. Any clothes that are comfortable to wear in general will be comfortable to wear on a bike for fifteen minutes.



      People who are riding longer distances, pushing harder and aiming for fitness rather than just getting from A to B will start to consider clothing that's more oriented towards exercising and people who are going even farther and pushing even harder will start to wear cycling-specific clothing.



      I see this exact thing when I cycle at home in Oxford. If I cycle directly into town, most of the people I see on bikes are just wearing whatever clothes will be appropriate at their destination. If I take a more circuitous route around the outskirts of town before heading into the centre through an area where not many people live, I see a lot of people wearing "general exercise" clothing. If I head away from town, out into the countryside, most of the cyclists I see are wearing clothing designed specifically for cycling.






      share|improve this answer














      In places where there are lots of bikes, most people who are riding them are making short journeys purely for transport. For a short ride of a few kilometers, it really doesn't matter what you're wearing. Any clothes that are comfortable to wear in general will be comfortable to wear on a bike for fifteen minutes.



      People who are riding longer distances, pushing harder and aiming for fitness rather than just getting from A to B will start to consider clothing that's more oriented towards exercising and people who are going even farther and pushing even harder will start to wear cycling-specific clothing.



      I see this exact thing when I cycle at home in Oxford. If I cycle directly into town, most of the people I see on bikes are just wearing whatever clothes will be appropriate at their destination. If I take a more circuitous route around the outskirts of town before heading into the centre through an area where not many people live, I see a lot of people wearing "general exercise" clothing. If I head away from town, out into the countryside, most of the cyclists I see are wearing clothing designed specifically for cycling.







      share|improve this answer














      share|improve this answer



      share|improve this answer








      edited yesterday

























      answered 2 days ago









      David Richerby

      9,28623050




      9,28623050








      • 4




        The same is the case in Cambridge - most people on bikes in the city centre are students going to university or sixth form, so they wear normal clothing. Occasionally you see someone in their gown, billowing out behind!
        – Tim
        yesterday






      • 8




        @LamarLatrell Read the second sentence of my answer. They're no more or less suitable for riding with jeans than any other bike.
        – David Richerby
        yesterday








      • 5




        I think the question would have to be reversed. What makes some bikes uncomfortable to ride with jeans in short calm rides. Since bikes that are uncomfortable, like fast road bikes, are exceptional.
        – gschenk
        yesterday






      • 2




        For those outside the UK: David (and @Tim) are probably the two most bike-friendly cities in England. They're also quite flat. The city I live in (Bristol, about 100km from David) is OK for cyclists but less so than Oxford or Cambridge, and much hillier. We get plenty of casually dressed bike commuters here too, in fact I'm in the minority getting changed.
        – Chris H
        yesterday






      • 3




        @DavidRicherby I beg to differ. Either I'm staring at the tarmac, which is unsafe and uninteresting, or I get a soar neck from having my head turned unnaturally.
        – gerrit
        4 hours ago














      • 4




        The same is the case in Cambridge - most people on bikes in the city centre are students going to university or sixth form, so they wear normal clothing. Occasionally you see someone in their gown, billowing out behind!
        – Tim
        yesterday






      • 8




        @LamarLatrell Read the second sentence of my answer. They're no more or less suitable for riding with jeans than any other bike.
        – David Richerby
        yesterday








      • 5




        I think the question would have to be reversed. What makes some bikes uncomfortable to ride with jeans in short calm rides. Since bikes that are uncomfortable, like fast road bikes, are exceptional.
        – gschenk
        yesterday






      • 2




        For those outside the UK: David (and @Tim) are probably the two most bike-friendly cities in England. They're also quite flat. The city I live in (Bristol, about 100km from David) is OK for cyclists but less so than Oxford or Cambridge, and much hillier. We get plenty of casually dressed bike commuters here too, in fact I'm in the minority getting changed.
        – Chris H
        yesterday






      • 3




        @DavidRicherby I beg to differ. Either I'm staring at the tarmac, which is unsafe and uninteresting, or I get a soar neck from having my head turned unnaturally.
        – gerrit
        4 hours ago








      4




      4




      The same is the case in Cambridge - most people on bikes in the city centre are students going to university or sixth form, so they wear normal clothing. Occasionally you see someone in their gown, billowing out behind!
      – Tim
      yesterday




      The same is the case in Cambridge - most people on bikes in the city centre are students going to university or sixth form, so they wear normal clothing. Occasionally you see someone in their gown, billowing out behind!
      – Tim
      yesterday




      8




      8




      @LamarLatrell Read the second sentence of my answer. They're no more or less suitable for riding with jeans than any other bike.
      – David Richerby
      yesterday






      @LamarLatrell Read the second sentence of my answer. They're no more or less suitable for riding with jeans than any other bike.
      – David Richerby
      yesterday






      5




      5




      I think the question would have to be reversed. What makes some bikes uncomfortable to ride with jeans in short calm rides. Since bikes that are uncomfortable, like fast road bikes, are exceptional.
      – gschenk
      yesterday




      I think the question would have to be reversed. What makes some bikes uncomfortable to ride with jeans in short calm rides. Since bikes that are uncomfortable, like fast road bikes, are exceptional.
      – gschenk
      yesterday




      2




      2




      For those outside the UK: David (and @Tim) are probably the two most bike-friendly cities in England. They're also quite flat. The city I live in (Bristol, about 100km from David) is OK for cyclists but less so than Oxford or Cambridge, and much hillier. We get plenty of casually dressed bike commuters here too, in fact I'm in the minority getting changed.
      – Chris H
      yesterday




      For those outside the UK: David (and @Tim) are probably the two most bike-friendly cities in England. They're also quite flat. The city I live in (Bristol, about 100km from David) is OK for cyclists but less so than Oxford or Cambridge, and much hillier. We get plenty of casually dressed bike commuters here too, in fact I'm in the minority getting changed.
      – Chris H
      yesterday




      3




      3




      @DavidRicherby I beg to differ. Either I'm staring at the tarmac, which is unsafe and uninteresting, or I get a soar neck from having my head turned unnaturally.
      – gerrit
      4 hours ago




      @DavidRicherby I beg to differ. Either I'm staring at the tarmac, which is unsafe and uninteresting, or I get a soar neck from having my head turned unnaturally.
      – gerrit
      4 hours ago










      up vote
      23
      down vote













      Local here, have lived in Amsterdam for just over a year and a half, through the cold wet winter. I'm not a Dutchie, but have embraced the fiets lifestyle here.



      Let me just say that the jeans you get in Amsterdam are the same as what you would buy anywhere else. I ride in Levis 511 jeans every day and have no problems. People here more or less ride in all sorts of clothing (that includes suits, dresses and high heels). You never really go that fast here in the city and you're always kind of stopping and starting, so regular clothes are fine.



      When it rains (which happens a lot) most people either catch public transport or wear rainproof gear over their regular clothes. Some even use storm umbrellas. The philosophy here amongst the Dutchies is that there's no bad weather only bad clothing.



      The bikes themselves are set up a bit differently here too:
      - Every bike, almost without exception has mud guards or "fenders"
      - The chain is almost always sealed inside a chainguard to avoid it getting too dirty, as well as the rider
      - The vast majority of bikes are upright riding position, as you don't really tend to go that fast in Amsterdam with the cobblestones and narrow streets



      In terms of type of bike, lightweight performance bikes don't last very long here and are not practical. What you mostly see are Omafiets, Papafiets, Mamafiets, Bakfiets and various heavy duty city commuter bikes. Powered bikes are also very popular here and often used to cut down travel times for longer distances.



      Bikes here tend to be heavy duty so they don't get smashed up at the bike racks, low maintenance as they usually sit outside all the time and focused on comfort as it's not really an "activity" you plan for with specialised clothing but a primary way to get around, with most journeys not being longer than 20 minutes or so.



      Outside of the cities you'll see plenty of lycra clad cyclists on their lightweight performance bikes cycling more for recreation on weekends etc.






      share|improve this answer








      New contributor




      Karl is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.














      • 1




        Yep, this is pretty much what we do in The Netherlands. As a Dutch citizen myself in generally smaller cities we do the same thing. Biking isn't a special occasion, and together with walking just a highly efficient way to get around. For certain destinations or activities you'd still use a car (say, weekly household groceries, moving furniture or most distances above 15Km, or destinations without good public transportation). But most of the time you'll see people using a bike wearing whatever they happen to be wearing.
        – John Keates
        yesterday










      • Are you saying that to cycle fast, we should do vehicular cycling? This writer didn't seem to think that Dutch cycle paths are holding us up. aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2013/02/26/…
        – Han-Lin
        yesterday










      • Apart from mud guards / fenders, don't forget the skirt guards! For a time, I thought that those were the same, until I realised not all bicycles have mud guards / fenders.
        – gerrit
        4 hours ago

















      up vote
      23
      down vote













      Local here, have lived in Amsterdam for just over a year and a half, through the cold wet winter. I'm not a Dutchie, but have embraced the fiets lifestyle here.



      Let me just say that the jeans you get in Amsterdam are the same as what you would buy anywhere else. I ride in Levis 511 jeans every day and have no problems. People here more or less ride in all sorts of clothing (that includes suits, dresses and high heels). You never really go that fast here in the city and you're always kind of stopping and starting, so regular clothes are fine.



      When it rains (which happens a lot) most people either catch public transport or wear rainproof gear over their regular clothes. Some even use storm umbrellas. The philosophy here amongst the Dutchies is that there's no bad weather only bad clothing.



      The bikes themselves are set up a bit differently here too:
      - Every bike, almost without exception has mud guards or "fenders"
      - The chain is almost always sealed inside a chainguard to avoid it getting too dirty, as well as the rider
      - The vast majority of bikes are upright riding position, as you don't really tend to go that fast in Amsterdam with the cobblestones and narrow streets



      In terms of type of bike, lightweight performance bikes don't last very long here and are not practical. What you mostly see are Omafiets, Papafiets, Mamafiets, Bakfiets and various heavy duty city commuter bikes. Powered bikes are also very popular here and often used to cut down travel times for longer distances.



      Bikes here tend to be heavy duty so they don't get smashed up at the bike racks, low maintenance as they usually sit outside all the time and focused on comfort as it's not really an "activity" you plan for with specialised clothing but a primary way to get around, with most journeys not being longer than 20 minutes or so.



      Outside of the cities you'll see plenty of lycra clad cyclists on their lightweight performance bikes cycling more for recreation on weekends etc.






      share|improve this answer








      New contributor




      Karl is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.














      • 1




        Yep, this is pretty much what we do in The Netherlands. As a Dutch citizen myself in generally smaller cities we do the same thing. Biking isn't a special occasion, and together with walking just a highly efficient way to get around. For certain destinations or activities you'd still use a car (say, weekly household groceries, moving furniture or most distances above 15Km, or destinations without good public transportation). But most of the time you'll see people using a bike wearing whatever they happen to be wearing.
        – John Keates
        yesterday










      • Are you saying that to cycle fast, we should do vehicular cycling? This writer didn't seem to think that Dutch cycle paths are holding us up. aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2013/02/26/…
        – Han-Lin
        yesterday










      • Apart from mud guards / fenders, don't forget the skirt guards! For a time, I thought that those were the same, until I realised not all bicycles have mud guards / fenders.
        – gerrit
        4 hours ago















      up vote
      23
      down vote










      up vote
      23
      down vote









      Local here, have lived in Amsterdam for just over a year and a half, through the cold wet winter. I'm not a Dutchie, but have embraced the fiets lifestyle here.



      Let me just say that the jeans you get in Amsterdam are the same as what you would buy anywhere else. I ride in Levis 511 jeans every day and have no problems. People here more or less ride in all sorts of clothing (that includes suits, dresses and high heels). You never really go that fast here in the city and you're always kind of stopping and starting, so regular clothes are fine.



      When it rains (which happens a lot) most people either catch public transport or wear rainproof gear over their regular clothes. Some even use storm umbrellas. The philosophy here amongst the Dutchies is that there's no bad weather only bad clothing.



      The bikes themselves are set up a bit differently here too:
      - Every bike, almost without exception has mud guards or "fenders"
      - The chain is almost always sealed inside a chainguard to avoid it getting too dirty, as well as the rider
      - The vast majority of bikes are upright riding position, as you don't really tend to go that fast in Amsterdam with the cobblestones and narrow streets



      In terms of type of bike, lightweight performance bikes don't last very long here and are not practical. What you mostly see are Omafiets, Papafiets, Mamafiets, Bakfiets and various heavy duty city commuter bikes. Powered bikes are also very popular here and often used to cut down travel times for longer distances.



      Bikes here tend to be heavy duty so they don't get smashed up at the bike racks, low maintenance as they usually sit outside all the time and focused on comfort as it's not really an "activity" you plan for with specialised clothing but a primary way to get around, with most journeys not being longer than 20 minutes or so.



      Outside of the cities you'll see plenty of lycra clad cyclists on their lightweight performance bikes cycling more for recreation on weekends etc.






      share|improve this answer








      New contributor




      Karl is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.









      Local here, have lived in Amsterdam for just over a year and a half, through the cold wet winter. I'm not a Dutchie, but have embraced the fiets lifestyle here.



      Let me just say that the jeans you get in Amsterdam are the same as what you would buy anywhere else. I ride in Levis 511 jeans every day and have no problems. People here more or less ride in all sorts of clothing (that includes suits, dresses and high heels). You never really go that fast here in the city and you're always kind of stopping and starting, so regular clothes are fine.



      When it rains (which happens a lot) most people either catch public transport or wear rainproof gear over their regular clothes. Some even use storm umbrellas. The philosophy here amongst the Dutchies is that there's no bad weather only bad clothing.



      The bikes themselves are set up a bit differently here too:
      - Every bike, almost without exception has mud guards or "fenders"
      - The chain is almost always sealed inside a chainguard to avoid it getting too dirty, as well as the rider
      - The vast majority of bikes are upright riding position, as you don't really tend to go that fast in Amsterdam with the cobblestones and narrow streets



      In terms of type of bike, lightweight performance bikes don't last very long here and are not practical. What you mostly see are Omafiets, Papafiets, Mamafiets, Bakfiets and various heavy duty city commuter bikes. Powered bikes are also very popular here and often used to cut down travel times for longer distances.



      Bikes here tend to be heavy duty so they don't get smashed up at the bike racks, low maintenance as they usually sit outside all the time and focused on comfort as it's not really an "activity" you plan for with specialised clothing but a primary way to get around, with most journeys not being longer than 20 minutes or so.



      Outside of the cities you'll see plenty of lycra clad cyclists on their lightweight performance bikes cycling more for recreation on weekends etc.







      share|improve this answer








      New contributor




      Karl is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.









      share|improve this answer



      share|improve this answer






      New contributor




      Karl is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.









      answered yesterday









      Karl

      2312




      2312




      New contributor




      Karl is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.





      New contributor





      Karl is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.






      Karl is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.








      • 1




        Yep, this is pretty much what we do in The Netherlands. As a Dutch citizen myself in generally smaller cities we do the same thing. Biking isn't a special occasion, and together with walking just a highly efficient way to get around. For certain destinations or activities you'd still use a car (say, weekly household groceries, moving furniture or most distances above 15Km, or destinations without good public transportation). But most of the time you'll see people using a bike wearing whatever they happen to be wearing.
        – John Keates
        yesterday










      • Are you saying that to cycle fast, we should do vehicular cycling? This writer didn't seem to think that Dutch cycle paths are holding us up. aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2013/02/26/…
        – Han-Lin
        yesterday










      • Apart from mud guards / fenders, don't forget the skirt guards! For a time, I thought that those were the same, until I realised not all bicycles have mud guards / fenders.
        – gerrit
        4 hours ago
















      • 1




        Yep, this is pretty much what we do in The Netherlands. As a Dutch citizen myself in generally smaller cities we do the same thing. Biking isn't a special occasion, and together with walking just a highly efficient way to get around. For certain destinations or activities you'd still use a car (say, weekly household groceries, moving furniture or most distances above 15Km, or destinations without good public transportation). But most of the time you'll see people using a bike wearing whatever they happen to be wearing.
        – John Keates
        yesterday










      • Are you saying that to cycle fast, we should do vehicular cycling? This writer didn't seem to think that Dutch cycle paths are holding us up. aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2013/02/26/…
        – Han-Lin
        yesterday










      • Apart from mud guards / fenders, don't forget the skirt guards! For a time, I thought that those were the same, until I realised not all bicycles have mud guards / fenders.
        – gerrit
        4 hours ago










      1




      1




      Yep, this is pretty much what we do in The Netherlands. As a Dutch citizen myself in generally smaller cities we do the same thing. Biking isn't a special occasion, and together with walking just a highly efficient way to get around. For certain destinations or activities you'd still use a car (say, weekly household groceries, moving furniture or most distances above 15Km, or destinations without good public transportation). But most of the time you'll see people using a bike wearing whatever they happen to be wearing.
      – John Keates
      yesterday




      Yep, this is pretty much what we do in The Netherlands. As a Dutch citizen myself in generally smaller cities we do the same thing. Biking isn't a special occasion, and together with walking just a highly efficient way to get around. For certain destinations or activities you'd still use a car (say, weekly household groceries, moving furniture or most distances above 15Km, or destinations without good public transportation). But most of the time you'll see people using a bike wearing whatever they happen to be wearing.
      – John Keates
      yesterday












      Are you saying that to cycle fast, we should do vehicular cycling? This writer didn't seem to think that Dutch cycle paths are holding us up. aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2013/02/26/…
      – Han-Lin
      yesterday




      Are you saying that to cycle fast, we should do vehicular cycling? This writer didn't seem to think that Dutch cycle paths are holding us up. aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2013/02/26/…
      – Han-Lin
      yesterday












      Apart from mud guards / fenders, don't forget the skirt guards! For a time, I thought that those were the same, until I realised not all bicycles have mud guards / fenders.
      – gerrit
      4 hours ago






      Apart from mud guards / fenders, don't forget the skirt guards! For a time, I thought that those were the same, until I realised not all bicycles have mud guards / fenders.
      – gerrit
      4 hours ago












      up vote
      21
      down vote













      Jeans aren't as bad as you think. I think the biggest factors are short journeys, mild climate, and being used to it. With efficient infrastructure this can account for a lot of commuting. Apart from the efficient infrastructure that covers most bike commuting in the UK as well, and most people here don't get changed.



      I sometimes don't get the chance to get changed and have to commute in normal jeans for up to about 30 minutes, even an hour in the past (up to about 15km in traffic). In the UK we have a similar climate to the Netherlands. In the dry, and if its not too hot, it's not uncomfortable, on a hybrid or tourer. On the latter I'm not generally going flat out, or using the drops, because of the traffic.



      Riding in wet jeans for more than a few minutes does start to rub, and can get cold when you stop. I get too hot for overtrousers, which is a further reason I prefer to get changed, but I also don't like to hang around. Keeping spare clothes in work deals with getting caught unawares. I don't recommend emulating my colleague who used a heat gun to dry her jeans while wearing them, though the one in my lab goes quite cool.



      The main difference in bike design is that Dutch bikes have enough of a chain guard that you're not going to catch your jeans in the chain or get them dirty. Ankle straps/clips or simply tucking your trousers into your socks deals with this.



      There's probably a form of selection bias going on - people who think and talk about what to wear on the bike are likely to have specialist clothing and choose to wear it. They're also likely to ride far enough that it's worth doing so.






      share|improve this answer

















      • 1




        I also note that people dont cycle terribly fast in Amsterdam - as far as I have seen.
        – vikingsteve
        1 hour ago










      • @vikingsteve I believe that to be true. I'd probably find it quite frustrating
        – Chris H
        1 hour ago















      up vote
      21
      down vote













      Jeans aren't as bad as you think. I think the biggest factors are short journeys, mild climate, and being used to it. With efficient infrastructure this can account for a lot of commuting. Apart from the efficient infrastructure that covers most bike commuting in the UK as well, and most people here don't get changed.



      I sometimes don't get the chance to get changed and have to commute in normal jeans for up to about 30 minutes, even an hour in the past (up to about 15km in traffic). In the UK we have a similar climate to the Netherlands. In the dry, and if its not too hot, it's not uncomfortable, on a hybrid or tourer. On the latter I'm not generally going flat out, or using the drops, because of the traffic.



      Riding in wet jeans for more than a few minutes does start to rub, and can get cold when you stop. I get too hot for overtrousers, which is a further reason I prefer to get changed, but I also don't like to hang around. Keeping spare clothes in work deals with getting caught unawares. I don't recommend emulating my colleague who used a heat gun to dry her jeans while wearing them, though the one in my lab goes quite cool.



      The main difference in bike design is that Dutch bikes have enough of a chain guard that you're not going to catch your jeans in the chain or get them dirty. Ankle straps/clips or simply tucking your trousers into your socks deals with this.



      There's probably a form of selection bias going on - people who think and talk about what to wear on the bike are likely to have specialist clothing and choose to wear it. They're also likely to ride far enough that it's worth doing so.






      share|improve this answer

















      • 1




        I also note that people dont cycle terribly fast in Amsterdam - as far as I have seen.
        – vikingsteve
        1 hour ago










      • @vikingsteve I believe that to be true. I'd probably find it quite frustrating
        – Chris H
        1 hour ago













      up vote
      21
      down vote










      up vote
      21
      down vote









      Jeans aren't as bad as you think. I think the biggest factors are short journeys, mild climate, and being used to it. With efficient infrastructure this can account for a lot of commuting. Apart from the efficient infrastructure that covers most bike commuting in the UK as well, and most people here don't get changed.



      I sometimes don't get the chance to get changed and have to commute in normal jeans for up to about 30 minutes, even an hour in the past (up to about 15km in traffic). In the UK we have a similar climate to the Netherlands. In the dry, and if its not too hot, it's not uncomfortable, on a hybrid or tourer. On the latter I'm not generally going flat out, or using the drops, because of the traffic.



      Riding in wet jeans for more than a few minutes does start to rub, and can get cold when you stop. I get too hot for overtrousers, which is a further reason I prefer to get changed, but I also don't like to hang around. Keeping spare clothes in work deals with getting caught unawares. I don't recommend emulating my colleague who used a heat gun to dry her jeans while wearing them, though the one in my lab goes quite cool.



      The main difference in bike design is that Dutch bikes have enough of a chain guard that you're not going to catch your jeans in the chain or get them dirty. Ankle straps/clips or simply tucking your trousers into your socks deals with this.



      There's probably a form of selection bias going on - people who think and talk about what to wear on the bike are likely to have specialist clothing and choose to wear it. They're also likely to ride far enough that it's worth doing so.






      share|improve this answer












      Jeans aren't as bad as you think. I think the biggest factors are short journeys, mild climate, and being used to it. With efficient infrastructure this can account for a lot of commuting. Apart from the efficient infrastructure that covers most bike commuting in the UK as well, and most people here don't get changed.



      I sometimes don't get the chance to get changed and have to commute in normal jeans for up to about 30 minutes, even an hour in the past (up to about 15km in traffic). In the UK we have a similar climate to the Netherlands. In the dry, and if its not too hot, it's not uncomfortable, on a hybrid or tourer. On the latter I'm not generally going flat out, or using the drops, because of the traffic.



      Riding in wet jeans for more than a few minutes does start to rub, and can get cold when you stop. I get too hot for overtrousers, which is a further reason I prefer to get changed, but I also don't like to hang around. Keeping spare clothes in work deals with getting caught unawares. I don't recommend emulating my colleague who used a heat gun to dry her jeans while wearing them, though the one in my lab goes quite cool.



      The main difference in bike design is that Dutch bikes have enough of a chain guard that you're not going to catch your jeans in the chain or get them dirty. Ankle straps/clips or simply tucking your trousers into your socks deals with this.



      There's probably a form of selection bias going on - people who think and talk about what to wear on the bike are likely to have specialist clothing and choose to wear it. They're also likely to ride far enough that it's worth doing so.







      share|improve this answer












      share|improve this answer



      share|improve this answer










      answered 2 days ago









      Chris H

      21.3k13399




      21.3k13399








      • 1




        I also note that people dont cycle terribly fast in Amsterdam - as far as I have seen.
        – vikingsteve
        1 hour ago










      • @vikingsteve I believe that to be true. I'd probably find it quite frustrating
        – Chris H
        1 hour ago














      • 1




        I also note that people dont cycle terribly fast in Amsterdam - as far as I have seen.
        – vikingsteve
        1 hour ago










      • @vikingsteve I believe that to be true. I'd probably find it quite frustrating
        – Chris H
        1 hour ago








      1




      1




      I also note that people dont cycle terribly fast in Amsterdam - as far as I have seen.
      – vikingsteve
      1 hour ago




      I also note that people dont cycle terribly fast in Amsterdam - as far as I have seen.
      – vikingsteve
      1 hour ago












      @vikingsteve I believe that to be true. I'd probably find it quite frustrating
      – Chris H
      1 hour ago




      @vikingsteve I believe that to be true. I'd probably find it quite frustrating
      – Chris H
      1 hour ago










      up vote
      11
      down vote













      You are surely aware that there is an industry out there that tries to sell you things you only marginally 'need' - special clothing for any sport is not unaffected by that.



      There is certainly a gain by wearing special cloth (and shoes) while biking, but unless you are seriously exercising or training for a competition, the difference is marginal.

      Of course, in the respective forums you will find lots of people that are convinced otherwise, and will tell you (and themselves) it makes a world of difference.

      Just try yourself with an open mind.






      share|improve this answer








      New contributor




      Aganju is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.














      • 3




        I disagree. With a road bike and a hard saddle, I find my ass gets sore if I ride for more than a couple of hours without proper padded shorts. I also ride a lot faster in properly fitted cycling clothes. Obviously, none of this is relevant to commuting in town, but cycling shorts make a significant difference on rides that aren't "seriously exercising or training for a competition."
        – David Richerby
        yesterday






      • 3




        I agree. The casual riders in Amsterdam are not driven to go through the extra trouble of buying something specific just to look the part of a cool bike rider, then having to change clothes when they get to their destination.
        – Dale
        19 hours ago






      • 2




        @DavidRicherby: riding "for more than a couple of hours" is seriously exercising.
        – Jack Aidley
        4 hours ago










      • @Dale The first paragraph, to me, seems to be saying that nobody has more than a "marginal need" for sports-specific clothing and I disagree with that. As my answer makes clear, I do agree that pretty much any clothing is fine for a short ride and that most people in Amsterdam are making short rides.
        – David Richerby
        4 hours ago










      • @JackAidley It's perfectly possible to cycle at a relaxed pace for a few hours without ever really being out of breath. I wouldn't call that serious exercise.
        – David Richerby
        4 hours ago















      up vote
      11
      down vote













      You are surely aware that there is an industry out there that tries to sell you things you only marginally 'need' - special clothing for any sport is not unaffected by that.



      There is certainly a gain by wearing special cloth (and shoes) while biking, but unless you are seriously exercising or training for a competition, the difference is marginal.

      Of course, in the respective forums you will find lots of people that are convinced otherwise, and will tell you (and themselves) it makes a world of difference.

      Just try yourself with an open mind.






      share|improve this answer








      New contributor




      Aganju is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.














      • 3




        I disagree. With a road bike and a hard saddle, I find my ass gets sore if I ride for more than a couple of hours without proper padded shorts. I also ride a lot faster in properly fitted cycling clothes. Obviously, none of this is relevant to commuting in town, but cycling shorts make a significant difference on rides that aren't "seriously exercising or training for a competition."
        – David Richerby
        yesterday






      • 3




        I agree. The casual riders in Amsterdam are not driven to go through the extra trouble of buying something specific just to look the part of a cool bike rider, then having to change clothes when they get to their destination.
        – Dale
        19 hours ago






      • 2




        @DavidRicherby: riding "for more than a couple of hours" is seriously exercising.
        – Jack Aidley
        4 hours ago










      • @Dale The first paragraph, to me, seems to be saying that nobody has more than a "marginal need" for sports-specific clothing and I disagree with that. As my answer makes clear, I do agree that pretty much any clothing is fine for a short ride and that most people in Amsterdam are making short rides.
        – David Richerby
        4 hours ago










      • @JackAidley It's perfectly possible to cycle at a relaxed pace for a few hours without ever really being out of breath. I wouldn't call that serious exercise.
        – David Richerby
        4 hours ago













      up vote
      11
      down vote










      up vote
      11
      down vote









      You are surely aware that there is an industry out there that tries to sell you things you only marginally 'need' - special clothing for any sport is not unaffected by that.



      There is certainly a gain by wearing special cloth (and shoes) while biking, but unless you are seriously exercising or training for a competition, the difference is marginal.

      Of course, in the respective forums you will find lots of people that are convinced otherwise, and will tell you (and themselves) it makes a world of difference.

      Just try yourself with an open mind.






      share|improve this answer








      New contributor




      Aganju is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.









      You are surely aware that there is an industry out there that tries to sell you things you only marginally 'need' - special clothing for any sport is not unaffected by that.



      There is certainly a gain by wearing special cloth (and shoes) while biking, but unless you are seriously exercising or training for a competition, the difference is marginal.

      Of course, in the respective forums you will find lots of people that are convinced otherwise, and will tell you (and themselves) it makes a world of difference.

      Just try yourself with an open mind.







      share|improve this answer








      New contributor




      Aganju is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.









      share|improve this answer



      share|improve this answer






      New contributor




      Aganju is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.









      answered yesterday









      Aganju

      21114




      21114




      New contributor




      Aganju is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.





      New contributor





      Aganju is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.






      Aganju is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.








      • 3




        I disagree. With a road bike and a hard saddle, I find my ass gets sore if I ride for more than a couple of hours without proper padded shorts. I also ride a lot faster in properly fitted cycling clothes. Obviously, none of this is relevant to commuting in town, but cycling shorts make a significant difference on rides that aren't "seriously exercising or training for a competition."
        – David Richerby
        yesterday






      • 3




        I agree. The casual riders in Amsterdam are not driven to go through the extra trouble of buying something specific just to look the part of a cool bike rider, then having to change clothes when they get to their destination.
        – Dale
        19 hours ago






      • 2




        @DavidRicherby: riding "for more than a couple of hours" is seriously exercising.
        – Jack Aidley
        4 hours ago










      • @Dale The first paragraph, to me, seems to be saying that nobody has more than a "marginal need" for sports-specific clothing and I disagree with that. As my answer makes clear, I do agree that pretty much any clothing is fine for a short ride and that most people in Amsterdam are making short rides.
        – David Richerby
        4 hours ago










      • @JackAidley It's perfectly possible to cycle at a relaxed pace for a few hours without ever really being out of breath. I wouldn't call that serious exercise.
        – David Richerby
        4 hours ago














      • 3




        I disagree. With a road bike and a hard saddle, I find my ass gets sore if I ride for more than a couple of hours without proper padded shorts. I also ride a lot faster in properly fitted cycling clothes. Obviously, none of this is relevant to commuting in town, but cycling shorts make a significant difference on rides that aren't "seriously exercising or training for a competition."
        – David Richerby
        yesterday






      • 3




        I agree. The casual riders in Amsterdam are not driven to go through the extra trouble of buying something specific just to look the part of a cool bike rider, then having to change clothes when they get to their destination.
        – Dale
        19 hours ago






      • 2




        @DavidRicherby: riding "for more than a couple of hours" is seriously exercising.
        – Jack Aidley
        4 hours ago










      • @Dale The first paragraph, to me, seems to be saying that nobody has more than a "marginal need" for sports-specific clothing and I disagree with that. As my answer makes clear, I do agree that pretty much any clothing is fine for a short ride and that most people in Amsterdam are making short rides.
        – David Richerby
        4 hours ago










      • @JackAidley It's perfectly possible to cycle at a relaxed pace for a few hours without ever really being out of breath. I wouldn't call that serious exercise.
        – David Richerby
        4 hours ago








      3




      3




      I disagree. With a road bike and a hard saddle, I find my ass gets sore if I ride for more than a couple of hours without proper padded shorts. I also ride a lot faster in properly fitted cycling clothes. Obviously, none of this is relevant to commuting in town, but cycling shorts make a significant difference on rides that aren't "seriously exercising or training for a competition."
      – David Richerby
      yesterday




      I disagree. With a road bike and a hard saddle, I find my ass gets sore if I ride for more than a couple of hours without proper padded shorts. I also ride a lot faster in properly fitted cycling clothes. Obviously, none of this is relevant to commuting in town, but cycling shorts make a significant difference on rides that aren't "seriously exercising or training for a competition."
      – David Richerby
      yesterday




      3




      3




      I agree. The casual riders in Amsterdam are not driven to go through the extra trouble of buying something specific just to look the part of a cool bike rider, then having to change clothes when they get to their destination.
      – Dale
      19 hours ago




      I agree. The casual riders in Amsterdam are not driven to go through the extra trouble of buying something specific just to look the part of a cool bike rider, then having to change clothes when they get to their destination.
      – Dale
      19 hours ago




      2




      2




      @DavidRicherby: riding "for more than a couple of hours" is seriously exercising.
      – Jack Aidley
      4 hours ago




      @DavidRicherby: riding "for more than a couple of hours" is seriously exercising.
      – Jack Aidley
      4 hours ago












      @Dale The first paragraph, to me, seems to be saying that nobody has more than a "marginal need" for sports-specific clothing and I disagree with that. As my answer makes clear, I do agree that pretty much any clothing is fine for a short ride and that most people in Amsterdam are making short rides.
      – David Richerby
      4 hours ago




      @Dale The first paragraph, to me, seems to be saying that nobody has more than a "marginal need" for sports-specific clothing and I disagree with that. As my answer makes clear, I do agree that pretty much any clothing is fine for a short ride and that most people in Amsterdam are making short rides.
      – David Richerby
      4 hours ago












      @JackAidley It's perfectly possible to cycle at a relaxed pace for a few hours without ever really being out of breath. I wouldn't call that serious exercise.
      – David Richerby
      4 hours ago




      @JackAidley It's perfectly possible to cycle at a relaxed pace for a few hours without ever really being out of breath. I wouldn't call that serious exercise.
      – David Richerby
      4 hours ago










      up vote
      7
      down vote













      As someone who biked daily for transportation and recreation for years, I can tell you it doesn't take any miracle to do it in street clothes.



      David Richerby already mentioned that most practical bike trips are short. Mine were usually 10-20 minutes. But many times I've gone on recreational rides of 2-4 hours. And I've never owned any special "biking clothes". The most I ever thought about clothing was when my jeans started getting worn out from occasional encounters with the gears!



      It probably depends on the person, but many feel perfectly fine in street clothes.






      share|improve this answer








      New contributor




      Nick S is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.














      • 1




        Everyone will draw the line (or rather lines) in a slightly different place. E.g. I only got bike-specific kit when I started riding over 100km (say 5 hours) regularly, but found sports clothing (which I already had) more reliably comfortable for many shorter trips (+1)
        – Chris H
        yesterday

















      up vote
      7
      down vote













      As someone who biked daily for transportation and recreation for years, I can tell you it doesn't take any miracle to do it in street clothes.



      David Richerby already mentioned that most practical bike trips are short. Mine were usually 10-20 minutes. But many times I've gone on recreational rides of 2-4 hours. And I've never owned any special "biking clothes". The most I ever thought about clothing was when my jeans started getting worn out from occasional encounters with the gears!



      It probably depends on the person, but many feel perfectly fine in street clothes.






      share|improve this answer








      New contributor




      Nick S is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.














      • 1




        Everyone will draw the line (or rather lines) in a slightly different place. E.g. I only got bike-specific kit when I started riding over 100km (say 5 hours) regularly, but found sports clothing (which I already had) more reliably comfortable for many shorter trips (+1)
        – Chris H
        yesterday















      up vote
      7
      down vote










      up vote
      7
      down vote









      As someone who biked daily for transportation and recreation for years, I can tell you it doesn't take any miracle to do it in street clothes.



      David Richerby already mentioned that most practical bike trips are short. Mine were usually 10-20 minutes. But many times I've gone on recreational rides of 2-4 hours. And I've never owned any special "biking clothes". The most I ever thought about clothing was when my jeans started getting worn out from occasional encounters with the gears!



      It probably depends on the person, but many feel perfectly fine in street clothes.






      share|improve this answer








      New contributor




      Nick S is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.









      As someone who biked daily for transportation and recreation for years, I can tell you it doesn't take any miracle to do it in street clothes.



      David Richerby already mentioned that most practical bike trips are short. Mine were usually 10-20 minutes. But many times I've gone on recreational rides of 2-4 hours. And I've never owned any special "biking clothes". The most I ever thought about clothing was when my jeans started getting worn out from occasional encounters with the gears!



      It probably depends on the person, but many feel perfectly fine in street clothes.







      share|improve this answer








      New contributor




      Nick S is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.









      share|improve this answer



      share|improve this answer






      New contributor




      Nick S is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.









      answered yesterday









      Nick S

      1712




      1712




      New contributor




      Nick S is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.





      New contributor





      Nick S is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.






      Nick S is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.








      • 1




        Everyone will draw the line (or rather lines) in a slightly different place. E.g. I only got bike-specific kit when I started riding over 100km (say 5 hours) regularly, but found sports clothing (which I already had) more reliably comfortable for many shorter trips (+1)
        – Chris H
        yesterday
















      • 1




        Everyone will draw the line (or rather lines) in a slightly different place. E.g. I only got bike-specific kit when I started riding over 100km (say 5 hours) regularly, but found sports clothing (which I already had) more reliably comfortable for many shorter trips (+1)
        – Chris H
        yesterday










      1




      1




      Everyone will draw the line (or rather lines) in a slightly different place. E.g. I only got bike-specific kit when I started riding over 100km (say 5 hours) regularly, but found sports clothing (which I already had) more reliably comfortable for many shorter trips (+1)
      – Chris H
      yesterday






      Everyone will draw the line (or rather lines) in a slightly different place. E.g. I only got bike-specific kit when I started riding over 100km (say 5 hours) regularly, but found sports clothing (which I already had) more reliably comfortable for many shorter trips (+1)
      – Chris H
      yesterday












      up vote
      5
      down vote













      I've never been to Amsterdam, but I do remember reading a comment by someone from there once about what it was like. He said that people there tend to ride at a more leisurely pace, and everyone from all walks of life ride bikes. It's just ordinary people riding around to get to places.



      In contrast, in non-cycle-friendly cities, cyclists ride hard to keep up with the traffic, and since there is some danger, it's mostly the more hardcore athletic types who ride.



      If you are riding at a moderate pace and the weather is cool enough, then riding in jeans is fine.






      share|improve this answer








      New contributor




      dan-gph is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.














      • 3




        "everyone from all walks of life ride bikes" is an understatement... Even the Royal Family, the Prime Minister, they all ride bicycles when they want to. The King's daughters ride their bikes to school, just like their class mates. I suppose the Security staff rides behind them. Only in Nederland... :-)
        – StessenJ
        yesterday















      up vote
      5
      down vote













      I've never been to Amsterdam, but I do remember reading a comment by someone from there once about what it was like. He said that people there tend to ride at a more leisurely pace, and everyone from all walks of life ride bikes. It's just ordinary people riding around to get to places.



      In contrast, in non-cycle-friendly cities, cyclists ride hard to keep up with the traffic, and since there is some danger, it's mostly the more hardcore athletic types who ride.



      If you are riding at a moderate pace and the weather is cool enough, then riding in jeans is fine.






      share|improve this answer








      New contributor




      dan-gph is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.














      • 3




        "everyone from all walks of life ride bikes" is an understatement... Even the Royal Family, the Prime Minister, they all ride bicycles when they want to. The King's daughters ride their bikes to school, just like their class mates. I suppose the Security staff rides behind them. Only in Nederland... :-)
        – StessenJ
        yesterday













      up vote
      5
      down vote










      up vote
      5
      down vote









      I've never been to Amsterdam, but I do remember reading a comment by someone from there once about what it was like. He said that people there tend to ride at a more leisurely pace, and everyone from all walks of life ride bikes. It's just ordinary people riding around to get to places.



      In contrast, in non-cycle-friendly cities, cyclists ride hard to keep up with the traffic, and since there is some danger, it's mostly the more hardcore athletic types who ride.



      If you are riding at a moderate pace and the weather is cool enough, then riding in jeans is fine.






      share|improve this answer








      New contributor




      dan-gph is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.









      I've never been to Amsterdam, but I do remember reading a comment by someone from there once about what it was like. He said that people there tend to ride at a more leisurely pace, and everyone from all walks of life ride bikes. It's just ordinary people riding around to get to places.



      In contrast, in non-cycle-friendly cities, cyclists ride hard to keep up with the traffic, and since there is some danger, it's mostly the more hardcore athletic types who ride.



      If you are riding at a moderate pace and the weather is cool enough, then riding in jeans is fine.







      share|improve this answer








      New contributor




      dan-gph is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.









      share|improve this answer



      share|improve this answer






      New contributor




      dan-gph is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.









      answered yesterday









      dan-gph

      1511




      1511




      New contributor




      dan-gph is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.





      New contributor





      dan-gph is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.






      dan-gph is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.








      • 3




        "everyone from all walks of life ride bikes" is an understatement... Even the Royal Family, the Prime Minister, they all ride bicycles when they want to. The King's daughters ride their bikes to school, just like their class mates. I suppose the Security staff rides behind them. Only in Nederland... :-)
        – StessenJ
        yesterday














      • 3




        "everyone from all walks of life ride bikes" is an understatement... Even the Royal Family, the Prime Minister, they all ride bicycles when they want to. The King's daughters ride their bikes to school, just like their class mates. I suppose the Security staff rides behind them. Only in Nederland... :-)
        – StessenJ
        yesterday








      3




      3




      "everyone from all walks of life ride bikes" is an understatement... Even the Royal Family, the Prime Minister, they all ride bicycles when they want to. The King's daughters ride their bikes to school, just like their class mates. I suppose the Security staff rides behind them. Only in Nederland... :-)
      – StessenJ
      yesterday




      "everyone from all walks of life ride bikes" is an understatement... Even the Royal Family, the Prime Minister, they all ride bicycles when they want to. The King's daughters ride their bikes to school, just like their class mates. I suppose the Security staff rides behind them. Only in Nederland... :-)
      – StessenJ
      yesterday










      up vote
      1
      down vote













      It's just working. I do have proper biking pants, but I found that especially on more rough terrain (MTB, Enduro, Trail...) I often simply wear my Levis 501, both uphill and downhill, to avoid problems with twigs slashing either the trousers or my skin. No problems, so far, it feels perfectly fine.






      share|improve this answer

























        up vote
        1
        down vote













        It's just working. I do have proper biking pants, but I found that especially on more rough terrain (MTB, Enduro, Trail...) I often simply wear my Levis 501, both uphill and downhill, to avoid problems with twigs slashing either the trousers or my skin. No problems, so far, it feels perfectly fine.






        share|improve this answer























          up vote
          1
          down vote










          up vote
          1
          down vote









          It's just working. I do have proper biking pants, but I found that especially on more rough terrain (MTB, Enduro, Trail...) I often simply wear my Levis 501, both uphill and downhill, to avoid problems with twigs slashing either the trousers or my skin. No problems, so far, it feels perfectly fine.






          share|improve this answer












          It's just working. I do have proper biking pants, but I found that especially on more rough terrain (MTB, Enduro, Trail...) I often simply wear my Levis 501, both uphill and downhill, to avoid problems with twigs slashing either the trousers or my skin. No problems, so far, it feels perfectly fine.







          share|improve this answer












          share|improve this answer



          share|improve this answer










          answered 2 days ago









          AnoE

          39819




          39819






















              up vote
              1
              down vote













              One of the more significant differences between a dutch city bike and a performance-focused road bike is the saddle.



              Saddles for transport tend to be larger and softer. That way not having padding isn't nearly as bad because the padding is built into the saddle.



              The chain is always protected by a guard to avoid loose pants getting caught in it and mangled.



              Fenders and mudflaps are also a constant fixture to deal with rain.



              On women's bikes there will sometimes be a skirt guard to protect said garment.



              The tires are on the chunkier side with lower pressure. This makes for a much more comfortable ride in general.






              share|improve this answer





















              • I've got a runabout with a big soft saddle. More than about 20 minutes on that in jeans and I can feel them rubbing, unlike a smaller saddle. But in gym shorts or bike tights the fat saddle is OK for considerably longer (if a little incongruous).
                – Chris H
                2 hours ago















              up vote
              1
              down vote













              One of the more significant differences between a dutch city bike and a performance-focused road bike is the saddle.



              Saddles for transport tend to be larger and softer. That way not having padding isn't nearly as bad because the padding is built into the saddle.



              The chain is always protected by a guard to avoid loose pants getting caught in it and mangled.



              Fenders and mudflaps are also a constant fixture to deal with rain.



              On women's bikes there will sometimes be a skirt guard to protect said garment.



              The tires are on the chunkier side with lower pressure. This makes for a much more comfortable ride in general.






              share|improve this answer





















              • I've got a runabout with a big soft saddle. More than about 20 minutes on that in jeans and I can feel them rubbing, unlike a smaller saddle. But in gym shorts or bike tights the fat saddle is OK for considerably longer (if a little incongruous).
                – Chris H
                2 hours ago













              up vote
              1
              down vote










              up vote
              1
              down vote









              One of the more significant differences between a dutch city bike and a performance-focused road bike is the saddle.



              Saddles for transport tend to be larger and softer. That way not having padding isn't nearly as bad because the padding is built into the saddle.



              The chain is always protected by a guard to avoid loose pants getting caught in it and mangled.



              Fenders and mudflaps are also a constant fixture to deal with rain.



              On women's bikes there will sometimes be a skirt guard to protect said garment.



              The tires are on the chunkier side with lower pressure. This makes for a much more comfortable ride in general.






              share|improve this answer












              One of the more significant differences between a dutch city bike and a performance-focused road bike is the saddle.



              Saddles for transport tend to be larger and softer. That way not having padding isn't nearly as bad because the padding is built into the saddle.



              The chain is always protected by a guard to avoid loose pants getting caught in it and mangled.



              Fenders and mudflaps are also a constant fixture to deal with rain.



              On women's bikes there will sometimes be a skirt guard to protect said garment.



              The tires are on the chunkier side with lower pressure. This makes for a much more comfortable ride in general.







              share|improve this answer












              share|improve this answer



              share|improve this answer










              answered 5 hours ago









              ratchet freak

              23516




              23516












              • I've got a runabout with a big soft saddle. More than about 20 minutes on that in jeans and I can feel them rubbing, unlike a smaller saddle. But in gym shorts or bike tights the fat saddle is OK for considerably longer (if a little incongruous).
                – Chris H
                2 hours ago


















              • I've got a runabout with a big soft saddle. More than about 20 minutes on that in jeans and I can feel them rubbing, unlike a smaller saddle. But in gym shorts or bike tights the fat saddle is OK for considerably longer (if a little incongruous).
                – Chris H
                2 hours ago
















              I've got a runabout with a big soft saddle. More than about 20 minutes on that in jeans and I can feel them rubbing, unlike a smaller saddle. But in gym shorts or bike tights the fat saddle is OK for considerably longer (if a little incongruous).
              – Chris H
              2 hours ago




              I've got a runabout with a big soft saddle. More than about 20 minutes on that in jeans and I can feel them rubbing, unlike a smaller saddle. But in gym shorts or bike tights the fat saddle is OK for considerably longer (if a little incongruous).
              – Chris H
              2 hours ago










              up vote
              1
              down vote













              I will take the liberty to interpret the question slightly more broadly, on how bicycles are adapted for riding in ordinary clothes. Apart from raingear, I've never changed clothes for cycling in my life (not when I went on a 700 km bike tour either).



              Skirt guard / coat guard



              You don't really need fenders for cycling with jeans. All fenders do is stop you from getting wet and dirty, so you should want them with any type of clothing. However, people not only ride bicycles with jeans, but also with skirts (starting yearly on rokjesdag). With a skirt, dress, or long (over)coat, a skirt guard/coat guard prevents clothes from ending up in the spokes, which not only damages the clothes but may well lead to accidents.



              coat guard
              SkirtCoat guard. Source: Wikimedia Commons



              If you are commuting by bicycle and commuting in your normal clothes, as you should, and your normal clothes include anything that may get stuck in the spokes, a skirt guard / coat guard is recommended. As pointed out in the comments, the guard on the bicycle in the photo is unlikely to be intended for protection of long dresses, as a traditional "ladies bicycle" would have a lowered top tube to assist with the same.






              share|improve this answer



















              • 1




                Fun fact: the low top tube on women's bikes was originally to allow riding in skirt. On a bike like this, a skirt would give some unintended views :)
                – ojs
                1 hour ago










              • @ojs ?!? What other possible reason could there be for compromising the structure of the bike by lowering the top tube?
                – Martin Bonner
                1 hour ago










              • The lower top tube allows the skirt not to form a parachute-like shape making personal bodyparts public and it also allow the rider to pass the other leg "through" rather than "over" - another good feature for skirt-wearers.
                – Crowley
                50 mins ago










              • @ojs True that! Wikipedia says it's also known as a coat guard. I used to think that the Dutch word spatbord referred to this part, but it actually refers to the fenders.
                – gerrit
                41 mins ago










              • @MartinBonner When I first learned to ride a bicycle, I found the leg movement needed to place one leg on each side of the bicycle (for riding off) rather difficult, and appreciated a step-through frame.
                – gerrit
                36 mins ago















              up vote
              1
              down vote













              I will take the liberty to interpret the question slightly more broadly, on how bicycles are adapted for riding in ordinary clothes. Apart from raingear, I've never changed clothes for cycling in my life (not when I went on a 700 km bike tour either).



              Skirt guard / coat guard



              You don't really need fenders for cycling with jeans. All fenders do is stop you from getting wet and dirty, so you should want them with any type of clothing. However, people not only ride bicycles with jeans, but also with skirts (starting yearly on rokjesdag). With a skirt, dress, or long (over)coat, a skirt guard/coat guard prevents clothes from ending up in the spokes, which not only damages the clothes but may well lead to accidents.



              coat guard
              SkirtCoat guard. Source: Wikimedia Commons



              If you are commuting by bicycle and commuting in your normal clothes, as you should, and your normal clothes include anything that may get stuck in the spokes, a skirt guard / coat guard is recommended. As pointed out in the comments, the guard on the bicycle in the photo is unlikely to be intended for protection of long dresses, as a traditional "ladies bicycle" would have a lowered top tube to assist with the same.






              share|improve this answer



















              • 1




                Fun fact: the low top tube on women's bikes was originally to allow riding in skirt. On a bike like this, a skirt would give some unintended views :)
                – ojs
                1 hour ago










              • @ojs ?!? What other possible reason could there be for compromising the structure of the bike by lowering the top tube?
                – Martin Bonner
                1 hour ago










              • The lower top tube allows the skirt not to form a parachute-like shape making personal bodyparts public and it also allow the rider to pass the other leg "through" rather than "over" - another good feature for skirt-wearers.
                – Crowley
                50 mins ago










              • @ojs True that! Wikipedia says it's also known as a coat guard. I used to think that the Dutch word spatbord referred to this part, but it actually refers to the fenders.
                – gerrit
                41 mins ago










              • @MartinBonner When I first learned to ride a bicycle, I found the leg movement needed to place one leg on each side of the bicycle (for riding off) rather difficult, and appreciated a step-through frame.
                – gerrit
                36 mins ago













              up vote
              1
              down vote










              up vote
              1
              down vote









              I will take the liberty to interpret the question slightly more broadly, on how bicycles are adapted for riding in ordinary clothes. Apart from raingear, I've never changed clothes for cycling in my life (not when I went on a 700 km bike tour either).



              Skirt guard / coat guard



              You don't really need fenders for cycling with jeans. All fenders do is stop you from getting wet and dirty, so you should want them with any type of clothing. However, people not only ride bicycles with jeans, but also with skirts (starting yearly on rokjesdag). With a skirt, dress, or long (over)coat, a skirt guard/coat guard prevents clothes from ending up in the spokes, which not only damages the clothes but may well lead to accidents.



              coat guard
              SkirtCoat guard. Source: Wikimedia Commons



              If you are commuting by bicycle and commuting in your normal clothes, as you should, and your normal clothes include anything that may get stuck in the spokes, a skirt guard / coat guard is recommended. As pointed out in the comments, the guard on the bicycle in the photo is unlikely to be intended for protection of long dresses, as a traditional "ladies bicycle" would have a lowered top tube to assist with the same.






              share|improve this answer














              I will take the liberty to interpret the question slightly more broadly, on how bicycles are adapted for riding in ordinary clothes. Apart from raingear, I've never changed clothes for cycling in my life (not when I went on a 700 km bike tour either).



              Skirt guard / coat guard



              You don't really need fenders for cycling with jeans. All fenders do is stop you from getting wet and dirty, so you should want them with any type of clothing. However, people not only ride bicycles with jeans, but also with skirts (starting yearly on rokjesdag). With a skirt, dress, or long (over)coat, a skirt guard/coat guard prevents clothes from ending up in the spokes, which not only damages the clothes but may well lead to accidents.



              coat guard
              SkirtCoat guard. Source: Wikimedia Commons



              If you are commuting by bicycle and commuting in your normal clothes, as you should, and your normal clothes include anything that may get stuck in the spokes, a skirt guard / coat guard is recommended. As pointed out in the comments, the guard on the bicycle in the photo is unlikely to be intended for protection of long dresses, as a traditional "ladies bicycle" would have a lowered top tube to assist with the same.







              share|improve this answer














              share|improve this answer



              share|improve this answer








              edited 40 mins ago

























              answered 4 hours ago









              gerrit

              1,74021229




              1,74021229








              • 1




                Fun fact: the low top tube on women's bikes was originally to allow riding in skirt. On a bike like this, a skirt would give some unintended views :)
                – ojs
                1 hour ago










              • @ojs ?!? What other possible reason could there be for compromising the structure of the bike by lowering the top tube?
                – Martin Bonner
                1 hour ago










              • The lower top tube allows the skirt not to form a parachute-like shape making personal bodyparts public and it also allow the rider to pass the other leg "through" rather than "over" - another good feature for skirt-wearers.
                – Crowley
                50 mins ago










              • @ojs True that! Wikipedia says it's also known as a coat guard. I used to think that the Dutch word spatbord referred to this part, but it actually refers to the fenders.
                – gerrit
                41 mins ago










              • @MartinBonner When I first learned to ride a bicycle, I found the leg movement needed to place one leg on each side of the bicycle (for riding off) rather difficult, and appreciated a step-through frame.
                – gerrit
                36 mins ago














              • 1




                Fun fact: the low top tube on women's bikes was originally to allow riding in skirt. On a bike like this, a skirt would give some unintended views :)
                – ojs
                1 hour ago










              • @ojs ?!? What other possible reason could there be for compromising the structure of the bike by lowering the top tube?
                – Martin Bonner
                1 hour ago










              • The lower top tube allows the skirt not to form a parachute-like shape making personal bodyparts public and it also allow the rider to pass the other leg "through" rather than "over" - another good feature for skirt-wearers.
                – Crowley
                50 mins ago










              • @ojs True that! Wikipedia says it's also known as a coat guard. I used to think that the Dutch word spatbord referred to this part, but it actually refers to the fenders.
                – gerrit
                41 mins ago










              • @MartinBonner When I first learned to ride a bicycle, I found the leg movement needed to place one leg on each side of the bicycle (for riding off) rather difficult, and appreciated a step-through frame.
                – gerrit
                36 mins ago








              1




              1




              Fun fact: the low top tube on women's bikes was originally to allow riding in skirt. On a bike like this, a skirt would give some unintended views :)
              – ojs
              1 hour ago




              Fun fact: the low top tube on women's bikes was originally to allow riding in skirt. On a bike like this, a skirt would give some unintended views :)
              – ojs
              1 hour ago












              @ojs ?!? What other possible reason could there be for compromising the structure of the bike by lowering the top tube?
              – Martin Bonner
              1 hour ago




              @ojs ?!? What other possible reason could there be for compromising the structure of the bike by lowering the top tube?
              – Martin Bonner
              1 hour ago












              The lower top tube allows the skirt not to form a parachute-like shape making personal bodyparts public and it also allow the rider to pass the other leg "through" rather than "over" - another good feature for skirt-wearers.
              – Crowley
              50 mins ago




              The lower top tube allows the skirt not to form a parachute-like shape making personal bodyparts public and it also allow the rider to pass the other leg "through" rather than "over" - another good feature for skirt-wearers.
              – Crowley
              50 mins ago












              @ojs True that! Wikipedia says it's also known as a coat guard. I used to think that the Dutch word spatbord referred to this part, but it actually refers to the fenders.
              – gerrit
              41 mins ago




              @ojs True that! Wikipedia says it's also known as a coat guard. I used to think that the Dutch word spatbord referred to this part, but it actually refers to the fenders.
              – gerrit
              41 mins ago












              @MartinBonner When I first learned to ride a bicycle, I found the leg movement needed to place one leg on each side of the bicycle (for riding off) rather difficult, and appreciated a step-through frame.
              – gerrit
              36 mins ago




              @MartinBonner When I first learned to ride a bicycle, I found the leg movement needed to place one leg on each side of the bicycle (for riding off) rather difficult, and appreciated a step-through frame.
              – gerrit
              36 mins ago










              up vote
              0
              down vote













              There are sometimes heavy rains but most often it is only drizzling. Furthermore, there is no such thing as a whole day rain. It can rain several times half an hour per day and in between your cloth can dry out. Last but not least you can sit high (your foot is almost straight when pedalling) and you hold the handle by leaning forward (cover).



              If it is heavy rain then even the Dutch bike in additional raincoats and trousers or with umbrellas or they do not bike.






              share|improve this answer








              New contributor




              Tiger is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
              Check out our Code of Conduct.






















                up vote
                0
                down vote













                There are sometimes heavy rains but most often it is only drizzling. Furthermore, there is no such thing as a whole day rain. It can rain several times half an hour per day and in between your cloth can dry out. Last but not least you can sit high (your foot is almost straight when pedalling) and you hold the handle by leaning forward (cover).



                If it is heavy rain then even the Dutch bike in additional raincoats and trousers or with umbrellas or they do not bike.






                share|improve this answer








                New contributor




                Tiger is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                Check out our Code of Conduct.




















                  up vote
                  0
                  down vote










                  up vote
                  0
                  down vote









                  There are sometimes heavy rains but most often it is only drizzling. Furthermore, there is no such thing as a whole day rain. It can rain several times half an hour per day and in between your cloth can dry out. Last but not least you can sit high (your foot is almost straight when pedalling) and you hold the handle by leaning forward (cover).



                  If it is heavy rain then even the Dutch bike in additional raincoats and trousers or with umbrellas or they do not bike.






                  share|improve this answer








                  New contributor




                  Tiger is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                  Check out our Code of Conduct.









                  There are sometimes heavy rains but most often it is only drizzling. Furthermore, there is no such thing as a whole day rain. It can rain several times half an hour per day and in between your cloth can dry out. Last but not least you can sit high (your foot is almost straight when pedalling) and you hold the handle by leaning forward (cover).



                  If it is heavy rain then even the Dutch bike in additional raincoats and trousers or with umbrellas or they do not bike.







                  share|improve this answer








                  New contributor




                  Tiger is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                  Check out our Code of Conduct.









                  share|improve this answer



                  share|improve this answer






                  New contributor




                  Tiger is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                  Check out our Code of Conduct.









                  answered 17 hours ago









                  Tiger

                  1




                  1




                  New contributor




                  Tiger is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                  Check out our Code of Conduct.





                  New contributor





                  Tiger is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                  Check out our Code of Conduct.






                  Tiger is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                  Check out our Code of Conduct.






























                       

                      draft saved


                      draft discarded



















































                       


                      draft saved


                      draft discarded














                      StackExchange.ready(
                      function () {
                      StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fbicycles.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f58111%2fwhat-makes-the-bicycles-in-amsterdam-suitable-for-riding-with-jeans-on%23new-answer', 'question_page');
                      }
                      );

                      Post as a guest















                      Required, but never shown





















































                      Required, but never shown














                      Required, but never shown












                      Required, but never shown







                      Required, but never shown

































                      Required, but never shown














                      Required, but never shown












                      Required, but never shown







                      Required, but never shown







                      Popular posts from this blog

                      Volksrepublik China

                      How to test boost logger output in unit testing?

                      Write to the output between two pipeline