How does a super-power salesman not get shut down for legal reasons?
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I am in trouble: my boss, a multi-millionaire, has just come up with a scheme, but it has problems and he wants me to solve them.
The whole thing started when he saw this picture:
This gave him an idea: invent, develop, and sell "superpowers". These "powers" would not be biological (he's rich, but not that rich), but technological. Basically, he wants to have Small Hero Five-and-a-half (tm) working for him, constantly cranking out new tech.
After he has his team invent the tech (with possible help from Anderson Robotics), he would start to mass-produce it (think: bat-mobile factory), and sell the gadgets (why sell the rights, when there is still more money to be made?) to would-be super-heroes.
This is where the problems start: the reason no-one has done this yet, is that there isn't really any demand, since super-heroes are just overkill against your average crook. Also there are legal issues, as this tech might result in collateral damage (read: Sokovia).
His solution to this problem is simple: don't only sell to "heroes", instead "losing" some of it, that will later turn up on the black market. Hey presto, we have a demand other than the odd nerd with a fortune.
At this point, I pointed out that a revenue model that depends on having illegal associates isn't really... legal.
How does my boss keep his business running and (mostly) legal without being shut down for H&S reasons?
EDIT: as @shadowzee pointed out, the research might be seized during the R&D phase. My boss says that having the research happening in multiple countries might stop that, but he isn't sure.
EDIT 2: There is a rumour that a lot of people think that my boss either wants to become Batman, or just sell tech that he would have used. This is not true: he wants to develop gadgets that a certain comic-book publishing company that he may or may not own significant shares in may or may not consider giving it's heroes.
Thus, rule of cool is a necessary part of the development process, as well as wow-factor. He isn't selling tazers, or bulletproof vests. He is trying to sell spider-spinners and lightsabers.
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I am in trouble: my boss, a multi-millionaire, has just come up with a scheme, but it has problems and he wants me to solve them.
The whole thing started when he saw this picture:
This gave him an idea: invent, develop, and sell "superpowers". These "powers" would not be biological (he's rich, but not that rich), but technological. Basically, he wants to have Small Hero Five-and-a-half (tm) working for him, constantly cranking out new tech.
After he has his team invent the tech (with possible help from Anderson Robotics), he would start to mass-produce it (think: bat-mobile factory), and sell the gadgets (why sell the rights, when there is still more money to be made?) to would-be super-heroes.
This is where the problems start: the reason no-one has done this yet, is that there isn't really any demand, since super-heroes are just overkill against your average crook. Also there are legal issues, as this tech might result in collateral damage (read: Sokovia).
His solution to this problem is simple: don't only sell to "heroes", instead "losing" some of it, that will later turn up on the black market. Hey presto, we have a demand other than the odd nerd with a fortune.
At this point, I pointed out that a revenue model that depends on having illegal associates isn't really... legal.
How does my boss keep his business running and (mostly) legal without being shut down for H&S reasons?
EDIT: as @shadowzee pointed out, the research might be seized during the R&D phase. My boss says that having the research happening in multiple countries might stop that, but he isn't sure.
EDIT 2: There is a rumour that a lot of people think that my boss either wants to become Batman, or just sell tech that he would have used. This is not true: he wants to develop gadgets that a certain comic-book publishing company that he may or may not own significant shares in may or may not consider giving it's heroes.
Thus, rule of cool is a necessary part of the development process, as well as wow-factor. He isn't selling tazers, or bulletproof vests. He is trying to sell spider-spinners and lightsabers.
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The realistic answer is he doesn't. The military steam rolls in, takes all his tech, research and manpower, breaks him and wipes his memory off the face of the planet (or hires him). This would of course, happen in the R&D stage, way before you could sell it. You need to be a billionaire to have a chance.
– Shadowzee
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@Shadowzee in that case, how might he avoid this happening?
– Mark Gardner
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I am in trouble: my boss, a multi-millionaire, has just come up with a scheme, but it has problems and he wants me to solve them.
The whole thing started when he saw this picture:
This gave him an idea: invent, develop, and sell "superpowers". These "powers" would not be biological (he's rich, but not that rich), but technological. Basically, he wants to have Small Hero Five-and-a-half (tm) working for him, constantly cranking out new tech.
After he has his team invent the tech (with possible help from Anderson Robotics), he would start to mass-produce it (think: bat-mobile factory), and sell the gadgets (why sell the rights, when there is still more money to be made?) to would-be super-heroes.
This is where the problems start: the reason no-one has done this yet, is that there isn't really any demand, since super-heroes are just overkill against your average crook. Also there are legal issues, as this tech might result in collateral damage (read: Sokovia).
His solution to this problem is simple: don't only sell to "heroes", instead "losing" some of it, that will later turn up on the black market. Hey presto, we have a demand other than the odd nerd with a fortune.
At this point, I pointed out that a revenue model that depends on having illegal associates isn't really... legal.
How does my boss keep his business running and (mostly) legal without being shut down for H&S reasons?
EDIT: as @shadowzee pointed out, the research might be seized during the R&D phase. My boss says that having the research happening in multiple countries might stop that, but he isn't sure.
EDIT 2: There is a rumour that a lot of people think that my boss either wants to become Batman, or just sell tech that he would have used. This is not true: he wants to develop gadgets that a certain comic-book publishing company that he may or may not own significant shares in may or may not consider giving it's heroes.
Thus, rule of cool is a necessary part of the development process, as well as wow-factor. He isn't selling tazers, or bulletproof vests. He is trying to sell spider-spinners and lightsabers.
technology economy super-powers law
I am in trouble: my boss, a multi-millionaire, has just come up with a scheme, but it has problems and he wants me to solve them.
The whole thing started when he saw this picture:
This gave him an idea: invent, develop, and sell "superpowers". These "powers" would not be biological (he's rich, but not that rich), but technological. Basically, he wants to have Small Hero Five-and-a-half (tm) working for him, constantly cranking out new tech.
After he has his team invent the tech (with possible help from Anderson Robotics), he would start to mass-produce it (think: bat-mobile factory), and sell the gadgets (why sell the rights, when there is still more money to be made?) to would-be super-heroes.
This is where the problems start: the reason no-one has done this yet, is that there isn't really any demand, since super-heroes are just overkill against your average crook. Also there are legal issues, as this tech might result in collateral damage (read: Sokovia).
His solution to this problem is simple: don't only sell to "heroes", instead "losing" some of it, that will later turn up on the black market. Hey presto, we have a demand other than the odd nerd with a fortune.
At this point, I pointed out that a revenue model that depends on having illegal associates isn't really... legal.
How does my boss keep his business running and (mostly) legal without being shut down for H&S reasons?
EDIT: as @shadowzee pointed out, the research might be seized during the R&D phase. My boss says that having the research happening in multiple countries might stop that, but he isn't sure.
EDIT 2: There is a rumour that a lot of people think that my boss either wants to become Batman, or just sell tech that he would have used. This is not true: he wants to develop gadgets that a certain comic-book publishing company that he may or may not own significant shares in may or may not consider giving it's heroes.
Thus, rule of cool is a necessary part of the development process, as well as wow-factor. He isn't selling tazers, or bulletproof vests. He is trying to sell spider-spinners and lightsabers.
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The realistic answer is he doesn't. The military steam rolls in, takes all his tech, research and manpower, breaks him and wipes his memory off the face of the planet (or hires him). This would of course, happen in the R&D stage, way before you could sell it. You need to be a billionaire to have a chance.
– Shadowzee
8 hours ago
@Shadowzee in that case, how might he avoid this happening?
– Mark Gardner
7 hours ago
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The realistic answer is he doesn't. The military steam rolls in, takes all his tech, research and manpower, breaks him and wipes his memory off the face of the planet (or hires him). This would of course, happen in the R&D stage, way before you could sell it. You need to be a billionaire to have a chance.
– Shadowzee
8 hours ago
@Shadowzee in that case, how might he avoid this happening?
– Mark Gardner
7 hours ago
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The realistic answer is he doesn't. The military steam rolls in, takes all his tech, research and manpower, breaks him and wipes his memory off the face of the planet (or hires him). This would of course, happen in the R&D stage, way before you could sell it. You need to be a billionaire to have a chance.
– Shadowzee
8 hours ago
The realistic answer is he doesn't. The military steam rolls in, takes all his tech, research and manpower, breaks him and wipes his memory off the face of the planet (or hires him). This would of course, happen in the R&D stage, way before you could sell it. You need to be a billionaire to have a chance.
– Shadowzee
8 hours ago
@Shadowzee in that case, how might he avoid this happening?
– Mark Gardner
7 hours ago
@Shadowzee in that case, how might he avoid this happening?
– Mark Gardner
7 hours ago
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Your boss has a real problem in this scenario since it’s technically illegal for a person to take the law into their own hands. He or she would face legal challenges regardless of whether they sell to the good guys or the bad. — Instead I would suggest selling to the cops and other law enforcement/ civil service officials.
Why not upgrade the fire fighters for example? Imagine rescue workers in flameproof mech suits rescuing people from the fires in California; or perhaps a park ranger being able to wrestle a bear rather then just shooting it.
The applications are nearly limitless, but your boss should consider applications outside the normal street crime scenario.
That being said, a police force in fully bullet proof mechanized tech armor being able to non-lethally subdue even the most dangerous gunmen would be pretty cool. No doubt this would go a long way to prevent a lot of the shoot-first-ask-questions-later incidents we hear about so much on the news.
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Don't sell to civil authorities, sell to the US military; heck I suspect that's how a number of those billionaires made their money - selling arms. If you can't beat them join them!
– Qwerky
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I like the angle, but how would e.g. law enforcement or firefighters be able to afford power armor? They can barely pay for their current equipment.
– Ruther Rendommeleigh
2 hours ago
@RutherRendommeleigh It’s not that there is no money left in the government budget, it’s just that the government decided it could be used more effectively elsewhere. They could get more money from the government if they can present a convincing cost/benefit analysis (spend a few million now, no more shoot-first-ask-later in the next ten years is pretty convincing IMHO).
– 11684
1 hour ago
This answer seems logical to me, but based on how the OP phrased their question, I have the understanding that the ideal end result is the vigilantes, regardless of whether it is legal for them or not. He simply wants to protect his boss from any repercussions.
– Onyz
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Plausible deniability
Vigilantism is illegal, but our salesman isn't selling to vigilantes, no no.
He is selling self-defense equipment to concerned citizens. If you were assaulted in the street, wouldn't it be nice if you could just run away ... over the rooftops ... on Manhattan?
Other equipment can also be described as self-defense. Tazers, for example, for use on feral dogs only. It is clearly printed on the box that it is not for use against humans. If a customer breaks that rule, shame on the customer.
And that is not a bullet-proof suit, it is an extra sturdy motorcycling suit. Honest!
Laws generally won't forbid things that haven't been invented, so he can usually get away with selling things that aren't illegal, yet.
What people do with his wares is another matter. But isn't that like when somebody gets killed with a hammer? You don't go after the hammer manufacturer.
Your boss probably know some lobbyists too. They can be useful in delaying any laws that would cut into his profit margin.
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"Laws generally won't forbid things that haven't been invented" - are you sure about that? My country's weapon laws, for example, use intentionally vague language to allow law enforcement to declare pretty much anything a weapon that "stores energy" or "inflicts harm by means other than physical". Graviton beam? Illegal. Exoskeleton? It's a weapon if they want it to be. Drones? Regulated. Aircraft? Doubly so. Cloning? Forbidden in most countries. If you find it in a comic book, it's probably illegal.
– Ruther Rendommeleigh
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You question is really similar to the problem some manufacturers in our world have to solve to stay in business.
If what you sell will remove competition and thus kill the market, just make sure you supply your product to both sides, so that there will be some sort of balance of power.
This has happened with nuclear bombs during cold war, it happens on the weapons black market, where both sides of a conflict are supplied with weapons so that weapons merchants can thrive on the conflict. You are just going to be another actor on this stage.
And, at the end of the day, when one comes into your shop asking for a super-thing, how can you tell if is a good or a bad guy?
I know your answer is correct as such, but I don't see any reason to condone a balance of power between government and anti-government forces. Concerned that your answer could be taken as sedition in some senses. On a practical note, surely an imbalance of power is the very thing that will maintain the business? If a certain force sees that a supply of certain goods are essential to their operation they will work to keep those goods available. Supply the government with goods that help them, the government will see you as essential and grant rights for you to stay in business?
– Tomy-rex
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@Tomy-rex, formally no weapon manufacturer sells weapons to war lords and other high profile criminals. Yet I never saw them fighting with stick and stones... You can officially supply your product to the government only, and happen to be "robbed" once in a while, losing track of your product...
– L.Dutch♦
5 hours ago
@Tomy-rex In fact, this "balance" is where my boss is planing to make the most profit:His solution [...] is simple: don't only sell to "heroes", instead "losing" some of it, that will later turn up on the black market.
– Mark Gardner
5 hours ago
This seems to be repeating what's already said in the question - sell to the good guys as well as the bad. But how would they go about avoiding being shut down for legal reasons?
– NotThatGuy
4 hours ago
@NotThatGuy, it's written in the answer: black market. It already happens for weapons and cigarettes...
– L.Dutch♦
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Just point to him in the direction of dictionary.
Not one of those losers has decided to become Batman
"Decided to" not "are unable to". We have those "technical superpowers". Gas that can render people unconscious. Electric power that make muscles contract and people are unable to move. Hell, we even have jet powered bullets and non-lethal bullets. And for most of them (in the states) you don't need to be millionaire to have this equipment. You can go to shop and buy them.
In other words your boss want to go into self-defence industry.
At this stage, my boss wants flashy, big things that make people think "super hero/villain". Not things that every second family gets.
– Mark Gardner
52 mins ago
@MarkGardner Still self-defence industry just packaged and marketed as "super hero". Same thing with "military taser" and "soccer mom taser"
– SZCZERZO KŁY
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There's nothing stopping him putting his money into R&D. Essentially he's just joined the military-industrial complex, and become another arms dealer.
What kind of R&D is he thinking of though? Pretty much every area already has people working there. Either that, or (like Boston Dynamics) it's a neat idea with no market value. So he's always going to be playing catch-up. Most new companies form round a key first product, and he hasn't got one.
And then you have to actually look at whether Batman is practical. Why would you even do that? From a law enforcement PoV he's a disaster. From a military PoV he's one bullet or grenade away from just another corpse, because body armour doesn't stop everything. Rule of Cool doesn't work so well in real life.
He's chosen the wrong hero anyway. The definition of a hero is someone who saves the lives of other people without hoping for reward, right? If you've got that money spare, do something good with it.
No-one remembers Joseph Rowntree for what he did business-wise. Even his company name has gone, since it was bought by Nestle. But his charitable foundation continues to help people, and his name may well live forever.
No-one remembers Henry Wellcome for what he did business-wise either. But the Wellcome Trust is the reason we have gene therapies today, amongst so many other advances. Again, Wellcome's name will never be forgotten.
And more recently, Bill Gates. It doesn't matter whether you like what his company makes. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is the reason millions of Africans will not die from diseases where the cures were well known but were not profitable for money-led medicine.
In terms of lives saved, Batman doesn't even come close.
my boss doesn't care how useful it is. Don't tell anyone, but I think I heard that he has significant shares in a comic-book company, and they asked him for a source of inspiration. Rule of cool helps, if you are involved in the entertainment industry.
– Mark Gardner
4 hours ago
Also, he's not aiming for Batman level tech. He's aiming at lightsabers.
– Mark Gardner
4 hours ago
@MarkGardner Then you have a problem that your boss is delusional. The obvious answer is run, don't walk. The less obvious and ethical answer is that since he's looking for things which are not physically possible, he can't object to whatever you want to do, so you may have carte blanche to play with anything you like. Either way, have a quiet word with a journalist, because there's a great story in this, especially if your boss is someone well-known.
– Graham
32 mins ago
Not necessarily lightsabers, but things that are a) as cool as lightsabers, and b) beyond the level of tech that the average police station might have. Not necessarily military level, but almost.
– Mark Gardner
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Well this is world-building so it's a bit ambiguous; it's only illegal if there's a law against it.
And to that end I think the more widely useful your wares are the better. No one would outlaw hammers. It's a strange coincidence that the super-deluxe ultra-hammer 5000 is a great tool for robbing banks, but who would want to live in a world without hammers? Your top-of-the-line model might be a great crime-fighting kit that only millionaires can afford, but the starter model will really help out with your average Joe with his yardwork!
A bit of an aside, but I don't think you have to actually deal in any shady business yourself; if bad guys want your wares they'll come up with a way to get them. You just have to make sure the product doesn't get TOO regulated and studiously point out how you follow the letter of the law. Good PR, loyal fans, and a bit of lobbying are going to help.
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Move to a more evil-friendly country
When bin Laden was forming al-Qaeda he didn't do this in the US or any other country with piddly things like laws. He did it in countries with weak, ineffective, extremist or corruptible governments.
You don't have to look far to find countries where you could locate your research, development and production lines. Parts of Somalia aren't even really countries right now. They are often ruled by the strongest overlord of the time. Which will be you very soon after setting up shop.
If the malaria and ebola become problematic for your workforce (and your bio-weapon researchers are too busy to make vaccines), you can move to any number of other countries where the government is fully corrupt. Give them a slice of the pie and enjoy immunity for as long as you keep somewhat below the radar.
What you save on taxes, you pay in bribes. Your bottom line remains the same. And with the monstrous amount of profits you will have rolling in soon, buy a large block of land and develop it to western standards for your workforce.
My boss will still live somewhere in the west, so I'm afraid that he might be arrested at home. He doesn't plan to break any laws, but his profits depend on his gadgets being used illegally.
– Mark Gardner
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Your boss has a real problem in this scenario since it’s technically illegal for a person to take the law into their own hands. He or she would face legal challenges regardless of whether they sell to the good guys or the bad. — Instead I would suggest selling to the cops and other law enforcement/ civil service officials.
Why not upgrade the fire fighters for example? Imagine rescue workers in flameproof mech suits rescuing people from the fires in California; or perhaps a park ranger being able to wrestle a bear rather then just shooting it.
The applications are nearly limitless, but your boss should consider applications outside the normal street crime scenario.
That being said, a police force in fully bullet proof mechanized tech armor being able to non-lethally subdue even the most dangerous gunmen would be pretty cool. No doubt this would go a long way to prevent a lot of the shoot-first-ask-questions-later incidents we hear about so much on the news.
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Don't sell to civil authorities, sell to the US military; heck I suspect that's how a number of those billionaires made their money - selling arms. If you can't beat them join them!
– Qwerky
4 hours ago
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I like the angle, but how would e.g. law enforcement or firefighters be able to afford power armor? They can barely pay for their current equipment.
– Ruther Rendommeleigh
2 hours ago
@RutherRendommeleigh It’s not that there is no money left in the government budget, it’s just that the government decided it could be used more effectively elsewhere. They could get more money from the government if they can present a convincing cost/benefit analysis (spend a few million now, no more shoot-first-ask-later in the next ten years is pretty convincing IMHO).
– 11684
1 hour ago
This answer seems logical to me, but based on how the OP phrased their question, I have the understanding that the ideal end result is the vigilantes, regardless of whether it is legal for them or not. He simply wants to protect his boss from any repercussions.
– Onyz
1 hour ago
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Your boss has a real problem in this scenario since it’s technically illegal for a person to take the law into their own hands. He or she would face legal challenges regardless of whether they sell to the good guys or the bad. — Instead I would suggest selling to the cops and other law enforcement/ civil service officials.
Why not upgrade the fire fighters for example? Imagine rescue workers in flameproof mech suits rescuing people from the fires in California; or perhaps a park ranger being able to wrestle a bear rather then just shooting it.
The applications are nearly limitless, but your boss should consider applications outside the normal street crime scenario.
That being said, a police force in fully bullet proof mechanized tech armor being able to non-lethally subdue even the most dangerous gunmen would be pretty cool. No doubt this would go a long way to prevent a lot of the shoot-first-ask-questions-later incidents we hear about so much on the news.
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Don't sell to civil authorities, sell to the US military; heck I suspect that's how a number of those billionaires made their money - selling arms. If you can't beat them join them!
– Qwerky
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I like the angle, but how would e.g. law enforcement or firefighters be able to afford power armor? They can barely pay for their current equipment.
– Ruther Rendommeleigh
2 hours ago
@RutherRendommeleigh It’s not that there is no money left in the government budget, it’s just that the government decided it could be used more effectively elsewhere. They could get more money from the government if they can present a convincing cost/benefit analysis (spend a few million now, no more shoot-first-ask-later in the next ten years is pretty convincing IMHO).
– 11684
1 hour ago
This answer seems logical to me, but based on how the OP phrased their question, I have the understanding that the ideal end result is the vigilantes, regardless of whether it is legal for them or not. He simply wants to protect his boss from any repercussions.
– Onyz
1 hour ago
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Your boss has a real problem in this scenario since it’s technically illegal for a person to take the law into their own hands. He or she would face legal challenges regardless of whether they sell to the good guys or the bad. — Instead I would suggest selling to the cops and other law enforcement/ civil service officials.
Why not upgrade the fire fighters for example? Imagine rescue workers in flameproof mech suits rescuing people from the fires in California; or perhaps a park ranger being able to wrestle a bear rather then just shooting it.
The applications are nearly limitless, but your boss should consider applications outside the normal street crime scenario.
That being said, a police force in fully bullet proof mechanized tech armor being able to non-lethally subdue even the most dangerous gunmen would be pretty cool. No doubt this would go a long way to prevent a lot of the shoot-first-ask-questions-later incidents we hear about so much on the news.
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Your boss has a real problem in this scenario since it’s technically illegal for a person to take the law into their own hands. He or she would face legal challenges regardless of whether they sell to the good guys or the bad. — Instead I would suggest selling to the cops and other law enforcement/ civil service officials.
Why not upgrade the fire fighters for example? Imagine rescue workers in flameproof mech suits rescuing people from the fires in California; or perhaps a park ranger being able to wrestle a bear rather then just shooting it.
The applications are nearly limitless, but your boss should consider applications outside the normal street crime scenario.
That being said, a police force in fully bullet proof mechanized tech armor being able to non-lethally subdue even the most dangerous gunmen would be pretty cool. No doubt this would go a long way to prevent a lot of the shoot-first-ask-questions-later incidents we hear about so much on the news.
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Don't sell to civil authorities, sell to the US military; heck I suspect that's how a number of those billionaires made their money - selling arms. If you can't beat them join them!
– Qwerky
4 hours ago
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I like the angle, but how would e.g. law enforcement or firefighters be able to afford power armor? They can barely pay for their current equipment.
– Ruther Rendommeleigh
2 hours ago
@RutherRendommeleigh It’s not that there is no money left in the government budget, it’s just that the government decided it could be used more effectively elsewhere. They could get more money from the government if they can present a convincing cost/benefit analysis (spend a few million now, no more shoot-first-ask-later in the next ten years is pretty convincing IMHO).
– 11684
1 hour ago
This answer seems logical to me, but based on how the OP phrased their question, I have the understanding that the ideal end result is the vigilantes, regardless of whether it is legal for them or not. He simply wants to protect his boss from any repercussions.
– Onyz
1 hour ago
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Don't sell to civil authorities, sell to the US military; heck I suspect that's how a number of those billionaires made their money - selling arms. If you can't beat them join them!
– Qwerky
4 hours ago
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I like the angle, but how would e.g. law enforcement or firefighters be able to afford power armor? They can barely pay for their current equipment.
– Ruther Rendommeleigh
2 hours ago
@RutherRendommeleigh It’s not that there is no money left in the government budget, it’s just that the government decided it could be used more effectively elsewhere. They could get more money from the government if they can present a convincing cost/benefit analysis (spend a few million now, no more shoot-first-ask-later in the next ten years is pretty convincing IMHO).
– 11684
1 hour ago
This answer seems logical to me, but based on how the OP phrased their question, I have the understanding that the ideal end result is the vigilantes, regardless of whether it is legal for them or not. He simply wants to protect his boss from any repercussions.
– Onyz
1 hour ago
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Don't sell to civil authorities, sell to the US military; heck I suspect that's how a number of those billionaires made their money - selling arms. If you can't beat them join them!
– Qwerky
4 hours ago
Don't sell to civil authorities, sell to the US military; heck I suspect that's how a number of those billionaires made their money - selling arms. If you can't beat them join them!
– Qwerky
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I like the angle, but how would e.g. law enforcement or firefighters be able to afford power armor? They can barely pay for their current equipment.
– Ruther Rendommeleigh
2 hours ago
I like the angle, but how would e.g. law enforcement or firefighters be able to afford power armor? They can barely pay for their current equipment.
– Ruther Rendommeleigh
2 hours ago
@RutherRendommeleigh It’s not that there is no money left in the government budget, it’s just that the government decided it could be used more effectively elsewhere. They could get more money from the government if they can present a convincing cost/benefit analysis (spend a few million now, no more shoot-first-ask-later in the next ten years is pretty convincing IMHO).
– 11684
1 hour ago
@RutherRendommeleigh It’s not that there is no money left in the government budget, it’s just that the government decided it could be used more effectively elsewhere. They could get more money from the government if they can present a convincing cost/benefit analysis (spend a few million now, no more shoot-first-ask-later in the next ten years is pretty convincing IMHO).
– 11684
1 hour ago
This answer seems logical to me, but based on how the OP phrased their question, I have the understanding that the ideal end result is the vigilantes, regardless of whether it is legal for them or not. He simply wants to protect his boss from any repercussions.
– Onyz
1 hour ago
This answer seems logical to me, but based on how the OP phrased their question, I have the understanding that the ideal end result is the vigilantes, regardless of whether it is legal for them or not. He simply wants to protect his boss from any repercussions.
– Onyz
1 hour ago
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Plausible deniability
Vigilantism is illegal, but our salesman isn't selling to vigilantes, no no.
He is selling self-defense equipment to concerned citizens. If you were assaulted in the street, wouldn't it be nice if you could just run away ... over the rooftops ... on Manhattan?
Other equipment can also be described as self-defense. Tazers, for example, for use on feral dogs only. It is clearly printed on the box that it is not for use against humans. If a customer breaks that rule, shame on the customer.
And that is not a bullet-proof suit, it is an extra sturdy motorcycling suit. Honest!
Laws generally won't forbid things that haven't been invented, so he can usually get away with selling things that aren't illegal, yet.
What people do with his wares is another matter. But isn't that like when somebody gets killed with a hammer? You don't go after the hammer manufacturer.
Your boss probably know some lobbyists too. They can be useful in delaying any laws that would cut into his profit margin.
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"Laws generally won't forbid things that haven't been invented" - are you sure about that? My country's weapon laws, for example, use intentionally vague language to allow law enforcement to declare pretty much anything a weapon that "stores energy" or "inflicts harm by means other than physical". Graviton beam? Illegal. Exoskeleton? It's a weapon if they want it to be. Drones? Regulated. Aircraft? Doubly so. Cloning? Forbidden in most countries. If you find it in a comic book, it's probably illegal.
– Ruther Rendommeleigh
2 hours ago
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Plausible deniability
Vigilantism is illegal, but our salesman isn't selling to vigilantes, no no.
He is selling self-defense equipment to concerned citizens. If you were assaulted in the street, wouldn't it be nice if you could just run away ... over the rooftops ... on Manhattan?
Other equipment can also be described as self-defense. Tazers, for example, for use on feral dogs only. It is clearly printed on the box that it is not for use against humans. If a customer breaks that rule, shame on the customer.
And that is not a bullet-proof suit, it is an extra sturdy motorcycling suit. Honest!
Laws generally won't forbid things that haven't been invented, so he can usually get away with selling things that aren't illegal, yet.
What people do with his wares is another matter. But isn't that like when somebody gets killed with a hammer? You don't go after the hammer manufacturer.
Your boss probably know some lobbyists too. They can be useful in delaying any laws that would cut into his profit margin.
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"Laws generally won't forbid things that haven't been invented" - are you sure about that? My country's weapon laws, for example, use intentionally vague language to allow law enforcement to declare pretty much anything a weapon that "stores energy" or "inflicts harm by means other than physical". Graviton beam? Illegal. Exoskeleton? It's a weapon if they want it to be. Drones? Regulated. Aircraft? Doubly so. Cloning? Forbidden in most countries. If you find it in a comic book, it's probably illegal.
– Ruther Rendommeleigh
2 hours ago
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Plausible deniability
Vigilantism is illegal, but our salesman isn't selling to vigilantes, no no.
He is selling self-defense equipment to concerned citizens. If you were assaulted in the street, wouldn't it be nice if you could just run away ... over the rooftops ... on Manhattan?
Other equipment can also be described as self-defense. Tazers, for example, for use on feral dogs only. It is clearly printed on the box that it is not for use against humans. If a customer breaks that rule, shame on the customer.
And that is not a bullet-proof suit, it is an extra sturdy motorcycling suit. Honest!
Laws generally won't forbid things that haven't been invented, so he can usually get away with selling things that aren't illegal, yet.
What people do with his wares is another matter. But isn't that like when somebody gets killed with a hammer? You don't go after the hammer manufacturer.
Your boss probably know some lobbyists too. They can be useful in delaying any laws that would cut into his profit margin.
Plausible deniability
Vigilantism is illegal, but our salesman isn't selling to vigilantes, no no.
He is selling self-defense equipment to concerned citizens. If you were assaulted in the street, wouldn't it be nice if you could just run away ... over the rooftops ... on Manhattan?
Other equipment can also be described as self-defense. Tazers, for example, for use on feral dogs only. It is clearly printed on the box that it is not for use against humans. If a customer breaks that rule, shame on the customer.
And that is not a bullet-proof suit, it is an extra sturdy motorcycling suit. Honest!
Laws generally won't forbid things that haven't been invented, so he can usually get away with selling things that aren't illegal, yet.
What people do with his wares is another matter. But isn't that like when somebody gets killed with a hammer? You don't go after the hammer manufacturer.
Your boss probably know some lobbyists too. They can be useful in delaying any laws that would cut into his profit margin.
answered 4 hours ago
Stig Hemmer
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"Laws generally won't forbid things that haven't been invented" - are you sure about that? My country's weapon laws, for example, use intentionally vague language to allow law enforcement to declare pretty much anything a weapon that "stores energy" or "inflicts harm by means other than physical". Graviton beam? Illegal. Exoskeleton? It's a weapon if they want it to be. Drones? Regulated. Aircraft? Doubly so. Cloning? Forbidden in most countries. If you find it in a comic book, it's probably illegal.
– Ruther Rendommeleigh
2 hours ago
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"Laws generally won't forbid things that haven't been invented" - are you sure about that? My country's weapon laws, for example, use intentionally vague language to allow law enforcement to declare pretty much anything a weapon that "stores energy" or "inflicts harm by means other than physical". Graviton beam? Illegal. Exoskeleton? It's a weapon if they want it to be. Drones? Regulated. Aircraft? Doubly so. Cloning? Forbidden in most countries. If you find it in a comic book, it's probably illegal.
– Ruther Rendommeleigh
2 hours ago
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"Laws generally won't forbid things that haven't been invented" - are you sure about that? My country's weapon laws, for example, use intentionally vague language to allow law enforcement to declare pretty much anything a weapon that "stores energy" or "inflicts harm by means other than physical". Graviton beam? Illegal. Exoskeleton? It's a weapon if they want it to be. Drones? Regulated. Aircraft? Doubly so. Cloning? Forbidden in most countries. If you find it in a comic book, it's probably illegal.
– Ruther Rendommeleigh
2 hours ago
"Laws generally won't forbid things that haven't been invented" - are you sure about that? My country's weapon laws, for example, use intentionally vague language to allow law enforcement to declare pretty much anything a weapon that "stores energy" or "inflicts harm by means other than physical". Graviton beam? Illegal. Exoskeleton? It's a weapon if they want it to be. Drones? Regulated. Aircraft? Doubly so. Cloning? Forbidden in most countries. If you find it in a comic book, it's probably illegal.
– Ruther Rendommeleigh
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You question is really similar to the problem some manufacturers in our world have to solve to stay in business.
If what you sell will remove competition and thus kill the market, just make sure you supply your product to both sides, so that there will be some sort of balance of power.
This has happened with nuclear bombs during cold war, it happens on the weapons black market, where both sides of a conflict are supplied with weapons so that weapons merchants can thrive on the conflict. You are just going to be another actor on this stage.
And, at the end of the day, when one comes into your shop asking for a super-thing, how can you tell if is a good or a bad guy?
I know your answer is correct as such, but I don't see any reason to condone a balance of power between government and anti-government forces. Concerned that your answer could be taken as sedition in some senses. On a practical note, surely an imbalance of power is the very thing that will maintain the business? If a certain force sees that a supply of certain goods are essential to their operation they will work to keep those goods available. Supply the government with goods that help them, the government will see you as essential and grant rights for you to stay in business?
– Tomy-rex
5 hours ago
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@Tomy-rex, formally no weapon manufacturer sells weapons to war lords and other high profile criminals. Yet I never saw them fighting with stick and stones... You can officially supply your product to the government only, and happen to be "robbed" once in a while, losing track of your product...
– L.Dutch♦
5 hours ago
@Tomy-rex In fact, this "balance" is where my boss is planing to make the most profit:His solution [...] is simple: don't only sell to "heroes", instead "losing" some of it, that will later turn up on the black market.
– Mark Gardner
5 hours ago
This seems to be repeating what's already said in the question - sell to the good guys as well as the bad. But how would they go about avoiding being shut down for legal reasons?
– NotThatGuy
4 hours ago
@NotThatGuy, it's written in the answer: black market. It already happens for weapons and cigarettes...
– L.Dutch♦
4 hours ago
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You question is really similar to the problem some manufacturers in our world have to solve to stay in business.
If what you sell will remove competition and thus kill the market, just make sure you supply your product to both sides, so that there will be some sort of balance of power.
This has happened with nuclear bombs during cold war, it happens on the weapons black market, where both sides of a conflict are supplied with weapons so that weapons merchants can thrive on the conflict. You are just going to be another actor on this stage.
And, at the end of the day, when one comes into your shop asking for a super-thing, how can you tell if is a good or a bad guy?
I know your answer is correct as such, but I don't see any reason to condone a balance of power between government and anti-government forces. Concerned that your answer could be taken as sedition in some senses. On a practical note, surely an imbalance of power is the very thing that will maintain the business? If a certain force sees that a supply of certain goods are essential to their operation they will work to keep those goods available. Supply the government with goods that help them, the government will see you as essential and grant rights for you to stay in business?
– Tomy-rex
5 hours ago
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@Tomy-rex, formally no weapon manufacturer sells weapons to war lords and other high profile criminals. Yet I never saw them fighting with stick and stones... You can officially supply your product to the government only, and happen to be "robbed" once in a while, losing track of your product...
– L.Dutch♦
5 hours ago
@Tomy-rex In fact, this "balance" is where my boss is planing to make the most profit:His solution [...] is simple: don't only sell to "heroes", instead "losing" some of it, that will later turn up on the black market.
– Mark Gardner
5 hours ago
This seems to be repeating what's already said in the question - sell to the good guys as well as the bad. But how would they go about avoiding being shut down for legal reasons?
– NotThatGuy
4 hours ago
@NotThatGuy, it's written in the answer: black market. It already happens for weapons and cigarettes...
– L.Dutch♦
4 hours ago
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You question is really similar to the problem some manufacturers in our world have to solve to stay in business.
If what you sell will remove competition and thus kill the market, just make sure you supply your product to both sides, so that there will be some sort of balance of power.
This has happened with nuclear bombs during cold war, it happens on the weapons black market, where both sides of a conflict are supplied with weapons so that weapons merchants can thrive on the conflict. You are just going to be another actor on this stage.
And, at the end of the day, when one comes into your shop asking for a super-thing, how can you tell if is a good or a bad guy?
You question is really similar to the problem some manufacturers in our world have to solve to stay in business.
If what you sell will remove competition and thus kill the market, just make sure you supply your product to both sides, so that there will be some sort of balance of power.
This has happened with nuclear bombs during cold war, it happens on the weapons black market, where both sides of a conflict are supplied with weapons so that weapons merchants can thrive on the conflict. You are just going to be another actor on this stage.
And, at the end of the day, when one comes into your shop asking for a super-thing, how can you tell if is a good or a bad guy?
answered 7 hours ago
L.Dutch♦
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I know your answer is correct as such, but I don't see any reason to condone a balance of power between government and anti-government forces. Concerned that your answer could be taken as sedition in some senses. On a practical note, surely an imbalance of power is the very thing that will maintain the business? If a certain force sees that a supply of certain goods are essential to their operation they will work to keep those goods available. Supply the government with goods that help them, the government will see you as essential and grant rights for you to stay in business?
– Tomy-rex
5 hours ago
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@Tomy-rex, formally no weapon manufacturer sells weapons to war lords and other high profile criminals. Yet I never saw them fighting with stick and stones... You can officially supply your product to the government only, and happen to be "robbed" once in a while, losing track of your product...
– L.Dutch♦
5 hours ago
@Tomy-rex In fact, this "balance" is where my boss is planing to make the most profit:His solution [...] is simple: don't only sell to "heroes", instead "losing" some of it, that will later turn up on the black market.
– Mark Gardner
5 hours ago
This seems to be repeating what's already said in the question - sell to the good guys as well as the bad. But how would they go about avoiding being shut down for legal reasons?
– NotThatGuy
4 hours ago
@NotThatGuy, it's written in the answer: black market. It already happens for weapons and cigarettes...
– L.Dutch♦
4 hours ago
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I know your answer is correct as such, but I don't see any reason to condone a balance of power between government and anti-government forces. Concerned that your answer could be taken as sedition in some senses. On a practical note, surely an imbalance of power is the very thing that will maintain the business? If a certain force sees that a supply of certain goods are essential to their operation they will work to keep those goods available. Supply the government with goods that help them, the government will see you as essential and grant rights for you to stay in business?
– Tomy-rex
5 hours ago
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@Tomy-rex, formally no weapon manufacturer sells weapons to war lords and other high profile criminals. Yet I never saw them fighting with stick and stones... You can officially supply your product to the government only, and happen to be "robbed" once in a while, losing track of your product...
– L.Dutch♦
5 hours ago
@Tomy-rex In fact, this "balance" is where my boss is planing to make the most profit:His solution [...] is simple: don't only sell to "heroes", instead "losing" some of it, that will later turn up on the black market.
– Mark Gardner
5 hours ago
This seems to be repeating what's already said in the question - sell to the good guys as well as the bad. But how would they go about avoiding being shut down for legal reasons?
– NotThatGuy
4 hours ago
@NotThatGuy, it's written in the answer: black market. It already happens for weapons and cigarettes...
– L.Dutch♦
4 hours ago
I know your answer is correct as such, but I don't see any reason to condone a balance of power between government and anti-government forces. Concerned that your answer could be taken as sedition in some senses. On a practical note, surely an imbalance of power is the very thing that will maintain the business? If a certain force sees that a supply of certain goods are essential to their operation they will work to keep those goods available. Supply the government with goods that help them, the government will see you as essential and grant rights for you to stay in business?
– Tomy-rex
5 hours ago
I know your answer is correct as such, but I don't see any reason to condone a balance of power between government and anti-government forces. Concerned that your answer could be taken as sedition in some senses. On a practical note, surely an imbalance of power is the very thing that will maintain the business? If a certain force sees that a supply of certain goods are essential to their operation they will work to keep those goods available. Supply the government with goods that help them, the government will see you as essential and grant rights for you to stay in business?
– Tomy-rex
5 hours ago
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@Tomy-rex, formally no weapon manufacturer sells weapons to war lords and other high profile criminals. Yet I never saw them fighting with stick and stones... You can officially supply your product to the government only, and happen to be "robbed" once in a while, losing track of your product...
– L.Dutch♦
5 hours ago
@Tomy-rex, formally no weapon manufacturer sells weapons to war lords and other high profile criminals. Yet I never saw them fighting with stick and stones... You can officially supply your product to the government only, and happen to be "robbed" once in a while, losing track of your product...
– L.Dutch♦
5 hours ago
@Tomy-rex In fact, this "balance" is where my boss is planing to make the most profit:
His solution [...] is simple: don't only sell to "heroes", instead "losing" some of it, that will later turn up on the black market.
– Mark Gardner
5 hours ago
@Tomy-rex In fact, this "balance" is where my boss is planing to make the most profit:
His solution [...] is simple: don't only sell to "heroes", instead "losing" some of it, that will later turn up on the black market.
– Mark Gardner
5 hours ago
This seems to be repeating what's already said in the question - sell to the good guys as well as the bad. But how would they go about avoiding being shut down for legal reasons?
– NotThatGuy
4 hours ago
This seems to be repeating what's already said in the question - sell to the good guys as well as the bad. But how would they go about avoiding being shut down for legal reasons?
– NotThatGuy
4 hours ago
@NotThatGuy, it's written in the answer: black market. It already happens for weapons and cigarettes...
– L.Dutch♦
4 hours ago
@NotThatGuy, it's written in the answer: black market. It already happens for weapons and cigarettes...
– L.Dutch♦
4 hours ago
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Just point to him in the direction of dictionary.
Not one of those losers has decided to become Batman
"Decided to" not "are unable to". We have those "technical superpowers". Gas that can render people unconscious. Electric power that make muscles contract and people are unable to move. Hell, we even have jet powered bullets and non-lethal bullets. And for most of them (in the states) you don't need to be millionaire to have this equipment. You can go to shop and buy them.
In other words your boss want to go into self-defence industry.
At this stage, my boss wants flashy, big things that make people think "super hero/villain". Not things that every second family gets.
– Mark Gardner
52 mins ago
@MarkGardner Still self-defence industry just packaged and marketed as "super hero". Same thing with "military taser" and "soccer mom taser"
– SZCZERZO KŁY
47 mins ago
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Just point to him in the direction of dictionary.
Not one of those losers has decided to become Batman
"Decided to" not "are unable to". We have those "technical superpowers". Gas that can render people unconscious. Electric power that make muscles contract and people are unable to move. Hell, we even have jet powered bullets and non-lethal bullets. And for most of them (in the states) you don't need to be millionaire to have this equipment. You can go to shop and buy them.
In other words your boss want to go into self-defence industry.
At this stage, my boss wants flashy, big things that make people think "super hero/villain". Not things that every second family gets.
– Mark Gardner
52 mins ago
@MarkGardner Still self-defence industry just packaged and marketed as "super hero". Same thing with "military taser" and "soccer mom taser"
– SZCZERZO KŁY
47 mins ago
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Just point to him in the direction of dictionary.
Not one of those losers has decided to become Batman
"Decided to" not "are unable to". We have those "technical superpowers". Gas that can render people unconscious. Electric power that make muscles contract and people are unable to move. Hell, we even have jet powered bullets and non-lethal bullets. And for most of them (in the states) you don't need to be millionaire to have this equipment. You can go to shop and buy them.
In other words your boss want to go into self-defence industry.
Just point to him in the direction of dictionary.
Not one of those losers has decided to become Batman
"Decided to" not "are unable to". We have those "technical superpowers". Gas that can render people unconscious. Electric power that make muscles contract and people are unable to move. Hell, we even have jet powered bullets and non-lethal bullets. And for most of them (in the states) you don't need to be millionaire to have this equipment. You can go to shop and buy them.
In other words your boss want to go into self-defence industry.
answered 5 hours ago
SZCZERZO KŁY
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At this stage, my boss wants flashy, big things that make people think "super hero/villain". Not things that every second family gets.
– Mark Gardner
52 mins ago
@MarkGardner Still self-defence industry just packaged and marketed as "super hero". Same thing with "military taser" and "soccer mom taser"
– SZCZERZO KŁY
47 mins ago
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At this stage, my boss wants flashy, big things that make people think "super hero/villain". Not things that every second family gets.
– Mark Gardner
52 mins ago
@MarkGardner Still self-defence industry just packaged and marketed as "super hero". Same thing with "military taser" and "soccer mom taser"
– SZCZERZO KŁY
47 mins ago
At this stage, my boss wants flashy, big things that make people think "super hero/villain". Not things that every second family gets.
– Mark Gardner
52 mins ago
At this stage, my boss wants flashy, big things that make people think "super hero/villain". Not things that every second family gets.
– Mark Gardner
52 mins ago
@MarkGardner Still self-defence industry just packaged and marketed as "super hero". Same thing with "military taser" and "soccer mom taser"
– SZCZERZO KŁY
47 mins ago
@MarkGardner Still self-defence industry just packaged and marketed as "super hero". Same thing with "military taser" and "soccer mom taser"
– SZCZERZO KŁY
47 mins ago
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There's nothing stopping him putting his money into R&D. Essentially he's just joined the military-industrial complex, and become another arms dealer.
What kind of R&D is he thinking of though? Pretty much every area already has people working there. Either that, or (like Boston Dynamics) it's a neat idea with no market value. So he's always going to be playing catch-up. Most new companies form round a key first product, and he hasn't got one.
And then you have to actually look at whether Batman is practical. Why would you even do that? From a law enforcement PoV he's a disaster. From a military PoV he's one bullet or grenade away from just another corpse, because body armour doesn't stop everything. Rule of Cool doesn't work so well in real life.
He's chosen the wrong hero anyway. The definition of a hero is someone who saves the lives of other people without hoping for reward, right? If you've got that money spare, do something good with it.
No-one remembers Joseph Rowntree for what he did business-wise. Even his company name has gone, since it was bought by Nestle. But his charitable foundation continues to help people, and his name may well live forever.
No-one remembers Henry Wellcome for what he did business-wise either. But the Wellcome Trust is the reason we have gene therapies today, amongst so many other advances. Again, Wellcome's name will never be forgotten.
And more recently, Bill Gates. It doesn't matter whether you like what his company makes. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is the reason millions of Africans will not die from diseases where the cures were well known but were not profitable for money-led medicine.
In terms of lives saved, Batman doesn't even come close.
my boss doesn't care how useful it is. Don't tell anyone, but I think I heard that he has significant shares in a comic-book company, and they asked him for a source of inspiration. Rule of cool helps, if you are involved in the entertainment industry.
– Mark Gardner
4 hours ago
Also, he's not aiming for Batman level tech. He's aiming at lightsabers.
– Mark Gardner
4 hours ago
@MarkGardner Then you have a problem that your boss is delusional. The obvious answer is run, don't walk. The less obvious and ethical answer is that since he's looking for things which are not physically possible, he can't object to whatever you want to do, so you may have carte blanche to play with anything you like. Either way, have a quiet word with a journalist, because there's a great story in this, especially if your boss is someone well-known.
– Graham
32 mins ago
Not necessarily lightsabers, but things that are a) as cool as lightsabers, and b) beyond the level of tech that the average police station might have. Not necessarily military level, but almost.
– Mark Gardner
24 mins ago
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There's nothing stopping him putting his money into R&D. Essentially he's just joined the military-industrial complex, and become another arms dealer.
What kind of R&D is he thinking of though? Pretty much every area already has people working there. Either that, or (like Boston Dynamics) it's a neat idea with no market value. So he's always going to be playing catch-up. Most new companies form round a key first product, and he hasn't got one.
And then you have to actually look at whether Batman is practical. Why would you even do that? From a law enforcement PoV he's a disaster. From a military PoV he's one bullet or grenade away from just another corpse, because body armour doesn't stop everything. Rule of Cool doesn't work so well in real life.
He's chosen the wrong hero anyway. The definition of a hero is someone who saves the lives of other people without hoping for reward, right? If you've got that money spare, do something good with it.
No-one remembers Joseph Rowntree for what he did business-wise. Even his company name has gone, since it was bought by Nestle. But his charitable foundation continues to help people, and his name may well live forever.
No-one remembers Henry Wellcome for what he did business-wise either. But the Wellcome Trust is the reason we have gene therapies today, amongst so many other advances. Again, Wellcome's name will never be forgotten.
And more recently, Bill Gates. It doesn't matter whether you like what his company makes. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is the reason millions of Africans will not die from diseases where the cures were well known but were not profitable for money-led medicine.
In terms of lives saved, Batman doesn't even come close.
my boss doesn't care how useful it is. Don't tell anyone, but I think I heard that he has significant shares in a comic-book company, and they asked him for a source of inspiration. Rule of cool helps, if you are involved in the entertainment industry.
– Mark Gardner
4 hours ago
Also, he's not aiming for Batman level tech. He's aiming at lightsabers.
– Mark Gardner
4 hours ago
@MarkGardner Then you have a problem that your boss is delusional. The obvious answer is run, don't walk. The less obvious and ethical answer is that since he's looking for things which are not physically possible, he can't object to whatever you want to do, so you may have carte blanche to play with anything you like. Either way, have a quiet word with a journalist, because there's a great story in this, especially if your boss is someone well-known.
– Graham
32 mins ago
Not necessarily lightsabers, but things that are a) as cool as lightsabers, and b) beyond the level of tech that the average police station might have. Not necessarily military level, but almost.
– Mark Gardner
24 mins ago
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There's nothing stopping him putting his money into R&D. Essentially he's just joined the military-industrial complex, and become another arms dealer.
What kind of R&D is he thinking of though? Pretty much every area already has people working there. Either that, or (like Boston Dynamics) it's a neat idea with no market value. So he's always going to be playing catch-up. Most new companies form round a key first product, and he hasn't got one.
And then you have to actually look at whether Batman is practical. Why would you even do that? From a law enforcement PoV he's a disaster. From a military PoV he's one bullet or grenade away from just another corpse, because body armour doesn't stop everything. Rule of Cool doesn't work so well in real life.
He's chosen the wrong hero anyway. The definition of a hero is someone who saves the lives of other people without hoping for reward, right? If you've got that money spare, do something good with it.
No-one remembers Joseph Rowntree for what he did business-wise. Even his company name has gone, since it was bought by Nestle. But his charitable foundation continues to help people, and his name may well live forever.
No-one remembers Henry Wellcome for what he did business-wise either. But the Wellcome Trust is the reason we have gene therapies today, amongst so many other advances. Again, Wellcome's name will never be forgotten.
And more recently, Bill Gates. It doesn't matter whether you like what his company makes. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is the reason millions of Africans will not die from diseases where the cures were well known but were not profitable for money-led medicine.
In terms of lives saved, Batman doesn't even come close.
There's nothing stopping him putting his money into R&D. Essentially he's just joined the military-industrial complex, and become another arms dealer.
What kind of R&D is he thinking of though? Pretty much every area already has people working there. Either that, or (like Boston Dynamics) it's a neat idea with no market value. So he's always going to be playing catch-up. Most new companies form round a key first product, and he hasn't got one.
And then you have to actually look at whether Batman is practical. Why would you even do that? From a law enforcement PoV he's a disaster. From a military PoV he's one bullet or grenade away from just another corpse, because body armour doesn't stop everything. Rule of Cool doesn't work so well in real life.
He's chosen the wrong hero anyway. The definition of a hero is someone who saves the lives of other people without hoping for reward, right? If you've got that money spare, do something good with it.
No-one remembers Joseph Rowntree for what he did business-wise. Even his company name has gone, since it was bought by Nestle. But his charitable foundation continues to help people, and his name may well live forever.
No-one remembers Henry Wellcome for what he did business-wise either. But the Wellcome Trust is the reason we have gene therapies today, amongst so many other advances. Again, Wellcome's name will never be forgotten.
And more recently, Bill Gates. It doesn't matter whether you like what his company makes. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is the reason millions of Africans will not die from diseases where the cures were well known but were not profitable for money-led medicine.
In terms of lives saved, Batman doesn't even come close.
answered 4 hours ago
Graham
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my boss doesn't care how useful it is. Don't tell anyone, but I think I heard that he has significant shares in a comic-book company, and they asked him for a source of inspiration. Rule of cool helps, if you are involved in the entertainment industry.
– Mark Gardner
4 hours ago
Also, he's not aiming for Batman level tech. He's aiming at lightsabers.
– Mark Gardner
4 hours ago
@MarkGardner Then you have a problem that your boss is delusional. The obvious answer is run, don't walk. The less obvious and ethical answer is that since he's looking for things which are not physically possible, he can't object to whatever you want to do, so you may have carte blanche to play with anything you like. Either way, have a quiet word with a journalist, because there's a great story in this, especially if your boss is someone well-known.
– Graham
32 mins ago
Not necessarily lightsabers, but things that are a) as cool as lightsabers, and b) beyond the level of tech that the average police station might have. Not necessarily military level, but almost.
– Mark Gardner
24 mins ago
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my boss doesn't care how useful it is. Don't tell anyone, but I think I heard that he has significant shares in a comic-book company, and they asked him for a source of inspiration. Rule of cool helps, if you are involved in the entertainment industry.
– Mark Gardner
4 hours ago
Also, he's not aiming for Batman level tech. He's aiming at lightsabers.
– Mark Gardner
4 hours ago
@MarkGardner Then you have a problem that your boss is delusional. The obvious answer is run, don't walk. The less obvious and ethical answer is that since he's looking for things which are not physically possible, he can't object to whatever you want to do, so you may have carte blanche to play with anything you like. Either way, have a quiet word with a journalist, because there's a great story in this, especially if your boss is someone well-known.
– Graham
32 mins ago
Not necessarily lightsabers, but things that are a) as cool as lightsabers, and b) beyond the level of tech that the average police station might have. Not necessarily military level, but almost.
– Mark Gardner
24 mins ago
my boss doesn't care how useful it is. Don't tell anyone, but I think I heard that he has significant shares in a comic-book company, and they asked him for a source of inspiration. Rule of cool helps, if you are involved in the entertainment industry.
– Mark Gardner
4 hours ago
my boss doesn't care how useful it is. Don't tell anyone, but I think I heard that he has significant shares in a comic-book company, and they asked him for a source of inspiration. Rule of cool helps, if you are involved in the entertainment industry.
– Mark Gardner
4 hours ago
Also, he's not aiming for Batman level tech. He's aiming at lightsabers.
– Mark Gardner
4 hours ago
Also, he's not aiming for Batman level tech. He's aiming at lightsabers.
– Mark Gardner
4 hours ago
@MarkGardner Then you have a problem that your boss is delusional. The obvious answer is run, don't walk. The less obvious and ethical answer is that since he's looking for things which are not physically possible, he can't object to whatever you want to do, so you may have carte blanche to play with anything you like. Either way, have a quiet word with a journalist, because there's a great story in this, especially if your boss is someone well-known.
– Graham
32 mins ago
@MarkGardner Then you have a problem that your boss is delusional. The obvious answer is run, don't walk. The less obvious and ethical answer is that since he's looking for things which are not physically possible, he can't object to whatever you want to do, so you may have carte blanche to play with anything you like. Either way, have a quiet word with a journalist, because there's a great story in this, especially if your boss is someone well-known.
– Graham
32 mins ago
Not necessarily lightsabers, but things that are a) as cool as lightsabers, and b) beyond the level of tech that the average police station might have. Not necessarily military level, but almost.
– Mark Gardner
24 mins ago
Not necessarily lightsabers, but things that are a) as cool as lightsabers, and b) beyond the level of tech that the average police station might have. Not necessarily military level, but almost.
– Mark Gardner
24 mins ago
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Well this is world-building so it's a bit ambiguous; it's only illegal if there's a law against it.
And to that end I think the more widely useful your wares are the better. No one would outlaw hammers. It's a strange coincidence that the super-deluxe ultra-hammer 5000 is a great tool for robbing banks, but who would want to live in a world without hammers? Your top-of-the-line model might be a great crime-fighting kit that only millionaires can afford, but the starter model will really help out with your average Joe with his yardwork!
A bit of an aside, but I don't think you have to actually deal in any shady business yourself; if bad guys want your wares they'll come up with a way to get them. You just have to make sure the product doesn't get TOO regulated and studiously point out how you follow the letter of the law. Good PR, loyal fans, and a bit of lobbying are going to help.
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Well this is world-building so it's a bit ambiguous; it's only illegal if there's a law against it.
And to that end I think the more widely useful your wares are the better. No one would outlaw hammers. It's a strange coincidence that the super-deluxe ultra-hammer 5000 is a great tool for robbing banks, but who would want to live in a world without hammers? Your top-of-the-line model might be a great crime-fighting kit that only millionaires can afford, but the starter model will really help out with your average Joe with his yardwork!
A bit of an aside, but I don't think you have to actually deal in any shady business yourself; if bad guys want your wares they'll come up with a way to get them. You just have to make sure the product doesn't get TOO regulated and studiously point out how you follow the letter of the law. Good PR, loyal fans, and a bit of lobbying are going to help.
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Well this is world-building so it's a bit ambiguous; it's only illegal if there's a law against it.
And to that end I think the more widely useful your wares are the better. No one would outlaw hammers. It's a strange coincidence that the super-deluxe ultra-hammer 5000 is a great tool for robbing banks, but who would want to live in a world without hammers? Your top-of-the-line model might be a great crime-fighting kit that only millionaires can afford, but the starter model will really help out with your average Joe with his yardwork!
A bit of an aside, but I don't think you have to actually deal in any shady business yourself; if bad guys want your wares they'll come up with a way to get them. You just have to make sure the product doesn't get TOO regulated and studiously point out how you follow the letter of the law. Good PR, loyal fans, and a bit of lobbying are going to help.
Well this is world-building so it's a bit ambiguous; it's only illegal if there's a law against it.
And to that end I think the more widely useful your wares are the better. No one would outlaw hammers. It's a strange coincidence that the super-deluxe ultra-hammer 5000 is a great tool for robbing banks, but who would want to live in a world without hammers? Your top-of-the-line model might be a great crime-fighting kit that only millionaires can afford, but the starter model will really help out with your average Joe with his yardwork!
A bit of an aside, but I don't think you have to actually deal in any shady business yourself; if bad guys want your wares they'll come up with a way to get them. You just have to make sure the product doesn't get TOO regulated and studiously point out how you follow the letter of the law. Good PR, loyal fans, and a bit of lobbying are going to help.
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Move to a more evil-friendly country
When bin Laden was forming al-Qaeda he didn't do this in the US or any other country with piddly things like laws. He did it in countries with weak, ineffective, extremist or corruptible governments.
You don't have to look far to find countries where you could locate your research, development and production lines. Parts of Somalia aren't even really countries right now. They are often ruled by the strongest overlord of the time. Which will be you very soon after setting up shop.
If the malaria and ebola become problematic for your workforce (and your bio-weapon researchers are too busy to make vaccines), you can move to any number of other countries where the government is fully corrupt. Give them a slice of the pie and enjoy immunity for as long as you keep somewhat below the radar.
What you save on taxes, you pay in bribes. Your bottom line remains the same. And with the monstrous amount of profits you will have rolling in soon, buy a large block of land and develop it to western standards for your workforce.
My boss will still live somewhere in the west, so I'm afraid that he might be arrested at home. He doesn't plan to break any laws, but his profits depend on his gadgets being used illegally.
– Mark Gardner
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Move to a more evil-friendly country
When bin Laden was forming al-Qaeda he didn't do this in the US or any other country with piddly things like laws. He did it in countries with weak, ineffective, extremist or corruptible governments.
You don't have to look far to find countries where you could locate your research, development and production lines. Parts of Somalia aren't even really countries right now. They are often ruled by the strongest overlord of the time. Which will be you very soon after setting up shop.
If the malaria and ebola become problematic for your workforce (and your bio-weapon researchers are too busy to make vaccines), you can move to any number of other countries where the government is fully corrupt. Give them a slice of the pie and enjoy immunity for as long as you keep somewhat below the radar.
What you save on taxes, you pay in bribes. Your bottom line remains the same. And with the monstrous amount of profits you will have rolling in soon, buy a large block of land and develop it to western standards for your workforce.
My boss will still live somewhere in the west, so I'm afraid that he might be arrested at home. He doesn't plan to break any laws, but his profits depend on his gadgets being used illegally.
– Mark Gardner
27 mins ago
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up vote
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up vote
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Move to a more evil-friendly country
When bin Laden was forming al-Qaeda he didn't do this in the US or any other country with piddly things like laws. He did it in countries with weak, ineffective, extremist or corruptible governments.
You don't have to look far to find countries where you could locate your research, development and production lines. Parts of Somalia aren't even really countries right now. They are often ruled by the strongest overlord of the time. Which will be you very soon after setting up shop.
If the malaria and ebola become problematic for your workforce (and your bio-weapon researchers are too busy to make vaccines), you can move to any number of other countries where the government is fully corrupt. Give them a slice of the pie and enjoy immunity for as long as you keep somewhat below the radar.
What you save on taxes, you pay in bribes. Your bottom line remains the same. And with the monstrous amount of profits you will have rolling in soon, buy a large block of land and develop it to western standards for your workforce.
Move to a more evil-friendly country
When bin Laden was forming al-Qaeda he didn't do this in the US or any other country with piddly things like laws. He did it in countries with weak, ineffective, extremist or corruptible governments.
You don't have to look far to find countries where you could locate your research, development and production lines. Parts of Somalia aren't even really countries right now. They are often ruled by the strongest overlord of the time. Which will be you very soon after setting up shop.
If the malaria and ebola become problematic for your workforce (and your bio-weapon researchers are too busy to make vaccines), you can move to any number of other countries where the government is fully corrupt. Give them a slice of the pie and enjoy immunity for as long as you keep somewhat below the radar.
What you save on taxes, you pay in bribes. Your bottom line remains the same. And with the monstrous amount of profits you will have rolling in soon, buy a large block of land and develop it to western standards for your workforce.
answered 34 mins ago
ColonelPanic
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My boss will still live somewhere in the west, so I'm afraid that he might be arrested at home. He doesn't plan to break any laws, but his profits depend on his gadgets being used illegally.
– Mark Gardner
27 mins ago
add a comment |
My boss will still live somewhere in the west, so I'm afraid that he might be arrested at home. He doesn't plan to break any laws, but his profits depend on his gadgets being used illegally.
– Mark Gardner
27 mins ago
My boss will still live somewhere in the west, so I'm afraid that he might be arrested at home. He doesn't plan to break any laws, but his profits depend on his gadgets being used illegally.
– Mark Gardner
27 mins ago
My boss will still live somewhere in the west, so I'm afraid that he might be arrested at home. He doesn't plan to break any laws, but his profits depend on his gadgets being used illegally.
– Mark Gardner
27 mins ago
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The realistic answer is he doesn't. The military steam rolls in, takes all his tech, research and manpower, breaks him and wipes his memory off the face of the planet (or hires him). This would of course, happen in the R&D stage, way before you could sell it. You need to be a billionaire to have a chance.
– Shadowzee
8 hours ago
@Shadowzee in that case, how might he avoid this happening?
– Mark Gardner
7 hours ago