Midterm question in calculus exam that can be tricky
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The following question was asked in a calculus exam in UNI, a peruvian university. It is meant to be for freshman calculus students.
Find $lim_{n to infty} A_n $ if
$$ A_1 = intlimits_0^1 frac{dx}{1 + sqrt{x} }, ; ; ; A_2 =
intlimits_0^1 frac{dx}{1 + frac{1}{1+sqrt{x}} }, ; ; ; A_3 =
intlimits_0^1 frac{dx}{1 + frac{1}{1+frac{1}{1+sqrt{x}}} },
...$$
First of all, I think this is a hard question for a midterm exam, but anyway, notice that we can calculate $A_1$ by making $t=sqrt{x}$
$$ A_1 = intlimits_0^1 frac{2 t dt }{1+t} = 2 intlimits_0^1 dt - 2 intlimits_0^1 frac{dt}{1+t}=2-2(ln2)=2-ln2^2 $$
Now, as for $A_2$ I would do $t = frac{1}{1+sqrt{x}}$ which gives $d t = frac{ dx}{2 sqrt{x} (1+sqrt{x})^2} = frac{t^2 dx}{2 (t-1)}$ thus upon sustituticion we get
$$ A_2 = - intlimits_1^{1/2} frac{2 (t-1) }{t^2(1+t) } dt $$
which can easily solved by partial fractions or so. But, apparently this is not the way this problem is meant to be solved as this exam contained 4 questions to be solved in an hour. What is the trick, if any, that can be used to solve this problem without doing the unellegant partial fractions?
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The following question was asked in a calculus exam in UNI, a peruvian university. It is meant to be for freshman calculus students.
Find $lim_{n to infty} A_n $ if
$$ A_1 = intlimits_0^1 frac{dx}{1 + sqrt{x} }, ; ; ; A_2 =
intlimits_0^1 frac{dx}{1 + frac{1}{1+sqrt{x}} }, ; ; ; A_3 =
intlimits_0^1 frac{dx}{1 + frac{1}{1+frac{1}{1+sqrt{x}}} },
...$$
First of all, I think this is a hard question for a midterm exam, but anyway, notice that we can calculate $A_1$ by making $t=sqrt{x}$
$$ A_1 = intlimits_0^1 frac{2 t dt }{1+t} = 2 intlimits_0^1 dt - 2 intlimits_0^1 frac{dt}{1+t}=2-2(ln2)=2-ln2^2 $$
Now, as for $A_2$ I would do $t = frac{1}{1+sqrt{x}}$ which gives $d t = frac{ dx}{2 sqrt{x} (1+sqrt{x})^2} = frac{t^2 dx}{2 (t-1)}$ thus upon sustituticion we get
$$ A_2 = - intlimits_1^{1/2} frac{2 (t-1) }{t^2(1+t) } dt $$
which can easily solved by partial fractions or so. But, apparently this is not the way this problem is meant to be solved as this exam contained 4 questions to be solved in an hour. What is the trick, if any, that can be used to solve this problem without doing the unellegant partial fractions?
calculus
Can you prove it is valid to change the position of $lim$ and $int$?
– Kemono Chen
9 hours ago
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If we let the integrand of $A_n$ be $f_n$, then $f_{n+1}=1/(1+f_n)$. If $f_infty$ exists, then necessarily $$f_infty=1/(1+f_infty)implies f_infty^2+f_infty-1=0$$. Indeed, $f_inftyequiv frac{-1+sqrt 5}2$ is a constant function. The main problem is justifying the switching of order between integral and limit. Dominated convergence theorem surely will do the job.
– Szeto
9 hours ago
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@Szeto: Could you post your comment as an answer (with details)? ( ̄▽ ̄)
– Tianlalu
8 hours ago
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I think this is meant to be solved without that dominated convergence theorem as it is meant for first-year students.
– Jimmy Sabater
8 hours ago
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The following question was asked in a calculus exam in UNI, a peruvian university. It is meant to be for freshman calculus students.
Find $lim_{n to infty} A_n $ if
$$ A_1 = intlimits_0^1 frac{dx}{1 + sqrt{x} }, ; ; ; A_2 =
intlimits_0^1 frac{dx}{1 + frac{1}{1+sqrt{x}} }, ; ; ; A_3 =
intlimits_0^1 frac{dx}{1 + frac{1}{1+frac{1}{1+sqrt{x}}} },
...$$
First of all, I think this is a hard question for a midterm exam, but anyway, notice that we can calculate $A_1$ by making $t=sqrt{x}$
$$ A_1 = intlimits_0^1 frac{2 t dt }{1+t} = 2 intlimits_0^1 dt - 2 intlimits_0^1 frac{dt}{1+t}=2-2(ln2)=2-ln2^2 $$
Now, as for $A_2$ I would do $t = frac{1}{1+sqrt{x}}$ which gives $d t = frac{ dx}{2 sqrt{x} (1+sqrt{x})^2} = frac{t^2 dx}{2 (t-1)}$ thus upon sustituticion we get
$$ A_2 = - intlimits_1^{1/2} frac{2 (t-1) }{t^2(1+t) } dt $$
which can easily solved by partial fractions or so. But, apparently this is not the way this problem is meant to be solved as this exam contained 4 questions to be solved in an hour. What is the trick, if any, that can be used to solve this problem without doing the unellegant partial fractions?
calculus
The following question was asked in a calculus exam in UNI, a peruvian university. It is meant to be for freshman calculus students.
Find $lim_{n to infty} A_n $ if
$$ A_1 = intlimits_0^1 frac{dx}{1 + sqrt{x} }, ; ; ; A_2 =
intlimits_0^1 frac{dx}{1 + frac{1}{1+sqrt{x}} }, ; ; ; A_3 =
intlimits_0^1 frac{dx}{1 + frac{1}{1+frac{1}{1+sqrt{x}}} },
...$$
First of all, I think this is a hard question for a midterm exam, but anyway, notice that we can calculate $A_1$ by making $t=sqrt{x}$
$$ A_1 = intlimits_0^1 frac{2 t dt }{1+t} = 2 intlimits_0^1 dt - 2 intlimits_0^1 frac{dt}{1+t}=2-2(ln2)=2-ln2^2 $$
Now, as for $A_2$ I would do $t = frac{1}{1+sqrt{x}}$ which gives $d t = frac{ dx}{2 sqrt{x} (1+sqrt{x})^2} = frac{t^2 dx}{2 (t-1)}$ thus upon sustituticion we get
$$ A_2 = - intlimits_1^{1/2} frac{2 (t-1) }{t^2(1+t) } dt $$
which can easily solved by partial fractions or so. But, apparently this is not the way this problem is meant to be solved as this exam contained 4 questions to be solved in an hour. What is the trick, if any, that can be used to solve this problem without doing the unellegant partial fractions?
calculus
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Can you prove it is valid to change the position of $lim$ and $int$?
– Kemono Chen
9 hours ago
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If we let the integrand of $A_n$ be $f_n$, then $f_{n+1}=1/(1+f_n)$. If $f_infty$ exists, then necessarily $$f_infty=1/(1+f_infty)implies f_infty^2+f_infty-1=0$$. Indeed, $f_inftyequiv frac{-1+sqrt 5}2$ is a constant function. The main problem is justifying the switching of order between integral and limit. Dominated convergence theorem surely will do the job.
– Szeto
9 hours ago
1
@Szeto: Could you post your comment as an answer (with details)? ( ̄▽ ̄)
– Tianlalu
8 hours ago
1
I think this is meant to be solved without that dominated convergence theorem as it is meant for first-year students.
– Jimmy Sabater
8 hours ago
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Can you prove it is valid to change the position of $lim$ and $int$?
– Kemono Chen
9 hours ago
1
If we let the integrand of $A_n$ be $f_n$, then $f_{n+1}=1/(1+f_n)$. If $f_infty$ exists, then necessarily $$f_infty=1/(1+f_infty)implies f_infty^2+f_infty-1=0$$. Indeed, $f_inftyequiv frac{-1+sqrt 5}2$ is a constant function. The main problem is justifying the switching of order between integral and limit. Dominated convergence theorem surely will do the job.
– Szeto
9 hours ago
1
@Szeto: Could you post your comment as an answer (with details)? ( ̄▽ ̄)
– Tianlalu
8 hours ago
1
I think this is meant to be solved without that dominated convergence theorem as it is meant for first-year students.
– Jimmy Sabater
8 hours ago
Can you prove it is valid to change the position of $lim$ and $int$?
– Kemono Chen
9 hours ago
Can you prove it is valid to change the position of $lim$ and $int$?
– Kemono Chen
9 hours ago
1
1
If we let the integrand of $A_n$ be $f_n$, then $f_{n+1}=1/(1+f_n)$. If $f_infty$ exists, then necessarily $$f_infty=1/(1+f_infty)implies f_infty^2+f_infty-1=0$$. Indeed, $f_inftyequiv frac{-1+sqrt 5}2$ is a constant function. The main problem is justifying the switching of order between integral and limit. Dominated convergence theorem surely will do the job.
– Szeto
9 hours ago
If we let the integrand of $A_n$ be $f_n$, then $f_{n+1}=1/(1+f_n)$. If $f_infty$ exists, then necessarily $$f_infty=1/(1+f_infty)implies f_infty^2+f_infty-1=0$$. Indeed, $f_inftyequiv frac{-1+sqrt 5}2$ is a constant function. The main problem is justifying the switching of order between integral and limit. Dominated convergence theorem surely will do the job.
– Szeto
9 hours ago
1
1
@Szeto: Could you post your comment as an answer (with details)? ( ̄▽ ̄)
– Tianlalu
8 hours ago
@Szeto: Could you post your comment as an answer (with details)? ( ̄▽ ̄)
– Tianlalu
8 hours ago
1
1
I think this is meant to be solved without that dominated convergence theorem as it is meant for first-year students.
– Jimmy Sabater
8 hours ago
I think this is meant to be solved without that dominated convergence theorem as it is meant for first-year students.
– Jimmy Sabater
8 hours ago
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By the substitution $t=sqrt x$,
$$A_n=int^1_0f_n(t^2)(2tdt)$$
$f_n(t^2)$ is of the form
$$f_n(t^2)=frac{a_n+b_nt}{c_n+d_nt}$$
We have the recurrence relation
$$a_{n+1}=c_n$$
$$b_{n+1}=d_n$$
$$c_{n+1}=a_n+c_n$$
$$d_{n+1}=b_n+d_n$$
Or
$$c_{n+1}=c_n+c_{n-1}$$
$$d_{n+1}=d_n+d_{n-1}$$
which are the Fibonacci recurrence with initial conditions
$$c_0=1, c_1=1$$
$$d_0=0, d_1=1$$
I think you can now proceed.
Also, the general term of Fibonacci sequence $0,1,1,cdots$ is
$$frac{phi^n-overlinephi^n}{sqrt5}$$ where $phi=frac{1+sqrt 5}2$.
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It is very nice, but I believe this is a hard question to ask in a midterm for beginners. I dont think there is a more elementary solution, correct?
– Jimmy Sabater
8 hours ago
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If I were taking that exam, I'd speculate covergence and write the integrand for $A_infty$ as
$$ S_infty(x) = frac{1}{ 1 + frac{1}{1+frac{1}{1+frac{1}{ddots} }}} = frac{1}{1+S_infty(x)}$$
Solve the resulting quadratic for $S_infty^2(x) + S_infty(x) -1 = 0$ for $S_infty(x)=frac{-1+sqrt{5}}{2}$. Then we immediately have $A_infty = S_infty$.
Then, I'd sit there and wonder what they intended for me to actually show on a freshman calculus exam.
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Well, this is already mentioned in my comment on the OP. I don’t see the point to repost it as an answer. Moreover, this answer does not mention the switching of integral and limit, which is highly non-trivial. Poorly written.
– Szeto
7 hours ago
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@Szeto Comments to the question should be left to improve the question, not to answer it. Comments may also be deleted if they do not serve this purpose. You should have incorporated your remarks into an/your answer.
– Dubu
6 hours ago
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@Szeto Are you suggesting that I copied your comment? Because I didn't pay attention to it. This answer is simply what would first cross my mind in a test-taking scenario. Your comment has strong points in it, and I encourage you to turn it into an answer.
– zahbaz
6 hours ago
@zahbaz The may also have "intended" you to show that the limit actually exists, which is easy enough to prove.
– alephzero
2 hours ago
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Let $A_n = intlimits_0^1 f_n(x) dx$. First show that each $f_n$ is a monotonically increasing or decreasing function in the range $[0,1]$, and hence $A_n$ lies between $f_n(0)$ and $f_n(1)$. Then note that
$f_n(0) = 1, frac{1}{2}, frac{2}{3}, frac{3}{5}, dots$
are the convergents of the continued fraction expansion of $phi$, and $f_n(1) = f_{n+1}(0)$. So we have
$frac{1}{2} le A_1 le 1$
$frac{1}{2} le A_2 le frac{2}{3}$
$frac{3}{5} le A_3 le frac{2}{3}$
and so on.
So the sequence $A_n$ is squeezed between consecutive convergents of the continued fraction expansion of $phi$. And so $lim_{n to infty} A_n = phi$.
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By the substitution $t=sqrt x$,
$$A_n=int^1_0f_n(t^2)(2tdt)$$
$f_n(t^2)$ is of the form
$$f_n(t^2)=frac{a_n+b_nt}{c_n+d_nt}$$
We have the recurrence relation
$$a_{n+1}=c_n$$
$$b_{n+1}=d_n$$
$$c_{n+1}=a_n+c_n$$
$$d_{n+1}=b_n+d_n$$
Or
$$c_{n+1}=c_n+c_{n-1}$$
$$d_{n+1}=d_n+d_{n-1}$$
which are the Fibonacci recurrence with initial conditions
$$c_0=1, c_1=1$$
$$d_0=0, d_1=1$$
I think you can now proceed.
Also, the general term of Fibonacci sequence $0,1,1,cdots$ is
$$frac{phi^n-overlinephi^n}{sqrt5}$$ where $phi=frac{1+sqrt 5}2$.
5
It is very nice, but I believe this is a hard question to ask in a midterm for beginners. I dont think there is a more elementary solution, correct?
– Jimmy Sabater
8 hours ago
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By the substitution $t=sqrt x$,
$$A_n=int^1_0f_n(t^2)(2tdt)$$
$f_n(t^2)$ is of the form
$$f_n(t^2)=frac{a_n+b_nt}{c_n+d_nt}$$
We have the recurrence relation
$$a_{n+1}=c_n$$
$$b_{n+1}=d_n$$
$$c_{n+1}=a_n+c_n$$
$$d_{n+1}=b_n+d_n$$
Or
$$c_{n+1}=c_n+c_{n-1}$$
$$d_{n+1}=d_n+d_{n-1}$$
which are the Fibonacci recurrence with initial conditions
$$c_0=1, c_1=1$$
$$d_0=0, d_1=1$$
I think you can now proceed.
Also, the general term of Fibonacci sequence $0,1,1,cdots$ is
$$frac{phi^n-overlinephi^n}{sqrt5}$$ where $phi=frac{1+sqrt 5}2$.
5
It is very nice, but I believe this is a hard question to ask in a midterm for beginners. I dont think there is a more elementary solution, correct?
– Jimmy Sabater
8 hours ago
add a comment |
up vote
10
down vote
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up vote
10
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By the substitution $t=sqrt x$,
$$A_n=int^1_0f_n(t^2)(2tdt)$$
$f_n(t^2)$ is of the form
$$f_n(t^2)=frac{a_n+b_nt}{c_n+d_nt}$$
We have the recurrence relation
$$a_{n+1}=c_n$$
$$b_{n+1}=d_n$$
$$c_{n+1}=a_n+c_n$$
$$d_{n+1}=b_n+d_n$$
Or
$$c_{n+1}=c_n+c_{n-1}$$
$$d_{n+1}=d_n+d_{n-1}$$
which are the Fibonacci recurrence with initial conditions
$$c_0=1, c_1=1$$
$$d_0=0, d_1=1$$
I think you can now proceed.
Also, the general term of Fibonacci sequence $0,1,1,cdots$ is
$$frac{phi^n-overlinephi^n}{sqrt5}$$ where $phi=frac{1+sqrt 5}2$.
By the substitution $t=sqrt x$,
$$A_n=int^1_0f_n(t^2)(2tdt)$$
$f_n(t^2)$ is of the form
$$f_n(t^2)=frac{a_n+b_nt}{c_n+d_nt}$$
We have the recurrence relation
$$a_{n+1}=c_n$$
$$b_{n+1}=d_n$$
$$c_{n+1}=a_n+c_n$$
$$d_{n+1}=b_n+d_n$$
Or
$$c_{n+1}=c_n+c_{n-1}$$
$$d_{n+1}=d_n+d_{n-1}$$
which are the Fibonacci recurrence with initial conditions
$$c_0=1, c_1=1$$
$$d_0=0, d_1=1$$
I think you can now proceed.
Also, the general term of Fibonacci sequence $0,1,1,cdots$ is
$$frac{phi^n-overlinephi^n}{sqrt5}$$ where $phi=frac{1+sqrt 5}2$.
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It is very nice, but I believe this is a hard question to ask in a midterm for beginners. I dont think there is a more elementary solution, correct?
– Jimmy Sabater
8 hours ago
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It is very nice, but I believe this is a hard question to ask in a midterm for beginners. I dont think there is a more elementary solution, correct?
– Jimmy Sabater
8 hours ago
5
5
It is very nice, but I believe this is a hard question to ask in a midterm for beginners. I dont think there is a more elementary solution, correct?
– Jimmy Sabater
8 hours ago
It is very nice, but I believe this is a hard question to ask in a midterm for beginners. I dont think there is a more elementary solution, correct?
– Jimmy Sabater
8 hours ago
add a comment |
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If I were taking that exam, I'd speculate covergence and write the integrand for $A_infty$ as
$$ S_infty(x) = frac{1}{ 1 + frac{1}{1+frac{1}{1+frac{1}{ddots} }}} = frac{1}{1+S_infty(x)}$$
Solve the resulting quadratic for $S_infty^2(x) + S_infty(x) -1 = 0$ for $S_infty(x)=frac{-1+sqrt{5}}{2}$. Then we immediately have $A_infty = S_infty$.
Then, I'd sit there and wonder what they intended for me to actually show on a freshman calculus exam.
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Well, this is already mentioned in my comment on the OP. I don’t see the point to repost it as an answer. Moreover, this answer does not mention the switching of integral and limit, which is highly non-trivial. Poorly written.
– Szeto
7 hours ago
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@Szeto Comments to the question should be left to improve the question, not to answer it. Comments may also be deleted if they do not serve this purpose. You should have incorporated your remarks into an/your answer.
– Dubu
6 hours ago
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@Szeto Are you suggesting that I copied your comment? Because I didn't pay attention to it. This answer is simply what would first cross my mind in a test-taking scenario. Your comment has strong points in it, and I encourage you to turn it into an answer.
– zahbaz
6 hours ago
@zahbaz The may also have "intended" you to show that the limit actually exists, which is easy enough to prove.
– alephzero
2 hours ago
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If I were taking that exam, I'd speculate covergence and write the integrand for $A_infty$ as
$$ S_infty(x) = frac{1}{ 1 + frac{1}{1+frac{1}{1+frac{1}{ddots} }}} = frac{1}{1+S_infty(x)}$$
Solve the resulting quadratic for $S_infty^2(x) + S_infty(x) -1 = 0$ for $S_infty(x)=frac{-1+sqrt{5}}{2}$. Then we immediately have $A_infty = S_infty$.
Then, I'd sit there and wonder what they intended for me to actually show on a freshman calculus exam.
1
Well, this is already mentioned in my comment on the OP. I don’t see the point to repost it as an answer. Moreover, this answer does not mention the switching of integral and limit, which is highly non-trivial. Poorly written.
– Szeto
7 hours ago
7
@Szeto Comments to the question should be left to improve the question, not to answer it. Comments may also be deleted if they do not serve this purpose. You should have incorporated your remarks into an/your answer.
– Dubu
6 hours ago
5
@Szeto Are you suggesting that I copied your comment? Because I didn't pay attention to it. This answer is simply what would first cross my mind in a test-taking scenario. Your comment has strong points in it, and I encourage you to turn it into an answer.
– zahbaz
6 hours ago
@zahbaz The may also have "intended" you to show that the limit actually exists, which is easy enough to prove.
– alephzero
2 hours ago
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If I were taking that exam, I'd speculate covergence and write the integrand for $A_infty$ as
$$ S_infty(x) = frac{1}{ 1 + frac{1}{1+frac{1}{1+frac{1}{ddots} }}} = frac{1}{1+S_infty(x)}$$
Solve the resulting quadratic for $S_infty^2(x) + S_infty(x) -1 = 0$ for $S_infty(x)=frac{-1+sqrt{5}}{2}$. Then we immediately have $A_infty = S_infty$.
Then, I'd sit there and wonder what they intended for me to actually show on a freshman calculus exam.
If I were taking that exam, I'd speculate covergence and write the integrand for $A_infty$ as
$$ S_infty(x) = frac{1}{ 1 + frac{1}{1+frac{1}{1+frac{1}{ddots} }}} = frac{1}{1+S_infty(x)}$$
Solve the resulting quadratic for $S_infty^2(x) + S_infty(x) -1 = 0$ for $S_infty(x)=frac{-1+sqrt{5}}{2}$. Then we immediately have $A_infty = S_infty$.
Then, I'd sit there and wonder what they intended for me to actually show on a freshman calculus exam.
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Well, this is already mentioned in my comment on the OP. I don’t see the point to repost it as an answer. Moreover, this answer does not mention the switching of integral and limit, which is highly non-trivial. Poorly written.
– Szeto
7 hours ago
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@Szeto Comments to the question should be left to improve the question, not to answer it. Comments may also be deleted if they do not serve this purpose. You should have incorporated your remarks into an/your answer.
– Dubu
6 hours ago
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@Szeto Are you suggesting that I copied your comment? Because I didn't pay attention to it. This answer is simply what would first cross my mind in a test-taking scenario. Your comment has strong points in it, and I encourage you to turn it into an answer.
– zahbaz
6 hours ago
@zahbaz The may also have "intended" you to show that the limit actually exists, which is easy enough to prove.
– alephzero
2 hours ago
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Well, this is already mentioned in my comment on the OP. I don’t see the point to repost it as an answer. Moreover, this answer does not mention the switching of integral and limit, which is highly non-trivial. Poorly written.
– Szeto
7 hours ago
7
@Szeto Comments to the question should be left to improve the question, not to answer it. Comments may also be deleted if they do not serve this purpose. You should have incorporated your remarks into an/your answer.
– Dubu
6 hours ago
5
@Szeto Are you suggesting that I copied your comment? Because I didn't pay attention to it. This answer is simply what would first cross my mind in a test-taking scenario. Your comment has strong points in it, and I encourage you to turn it into an answer.
– zahbaz
6 hours ago
@zahbaz The may also have "intended" you to show that the limit actually exists, which is easy enough to prove.
– alephzero
2 hours ago
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Well, this is already mentioned in my comment on the OP. I don’t see the point to repost it as an answer. Moreover, this answer does not mention the switching of integral and limit, which is highly non-trivial. Poorly written.
– Szeto
7 hours ago
Well, this is already mentioned in my comment on the OP. I don’t see the point to repost it as an answer. Moreover, this answer does not mention the switching of integral and limit, which is highly non-trivial. Poorly written.
– Szeto
7 hours ago
7
7
@Szeto Comments to the question should be left to improve the question, not to answer it. Comments may also be deleted if they do not serve this purpose. You should have incorporated your remarks into an/your answer.
– Dubu
6 hours ago
@Szeto Comments to the question should be left to improve the question, not to answer it. Comments may also be deleted if they do not serve this purpose. You should have incorporated your remarks into an/your answer.
– Dubu
6 hours ago
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5
@Szeto Are you suggesting that I copied your comment? Because I didn't pay attention to it. This answer is simply what would first cross my mind in a test-taking scenario. Your comment has strong points in it, and I encourage you to turn it into an answer.
– zahbaz
6 hours ago
@Szeto Are you suggesting that I copied your comment? Because I didn't pay attention to it. This answer is simply what would first cross my mind in a test-taking scenario. Your comment has strong points in it, and I encourage you to turn it into an answer.
– zahbaz
6 hours ago
@zahbaz The may also have "intended" you to show that the limit actually exists, which is easy enough to prove.
– alephzero
2 hours ago
@zahbaz The may also have "intended" you to show that the limit actually exists, which is easy enough to prove.
– alephzero
2 hours ago
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Let $A_n = intlimits_0^1 f_n(x) dx$. First show that each $f_n$ is a monotonically increasing or decreasing function in the range $[0,1]$, and hence $A_n$ lies between $f_n(0)$ and $f_n(1)$. Then note that
$f_n(0) = 1, frac{1}{2}, frac{2}{3}, frac{3}{5}, dots$
are the convergents of the continued fraction expansion of $phi$, and $f_n(1) = f_{n+1}(0)$. So we have
$frac{1}{2} le A_1 le 1$
$frac{1}{2} le A_2 le frac{2}{3}$
$frac{3}{5} le A_3 le frac{2}{3}$
and so on.
So the sequence $A_n$ is squeezed between consecutive convergents of the continued fraction expansion of $phi$. And so $lim_{n to infty} A_n = phi$.
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Let $A_n = intlimits_0^1 f_n(x) dx$. First show that each $f_n$ is a monotonically increasing or decreasing function in the range $[0,1]$, and hence $A_n$ lies between $f_n(0)$ and $f_n(1)$. Then note that
$f_n(0) = 1, frac{1}{2}, frac{2}{3}, frac{3}{5}, dots$
are the convergents of the continued fraction expansion of $phi$, and $f_n(1) = f_{n+1}(0)$. So we have
$frac{1}{2} le A_1 le 1$
$frac{1}{2} le A_2 le frac{2}{3}$
$frac{3}{5} le A_3 le frac{2}{3}$
and so on.
So the sequence $A_n$ is squeezed between consecutive convergents of the continued fraction expansion of $phi$. And so $lim_{n to infty} A_n = phi$.
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Let $A_n = intlimits_0^1 f_n(x) dx$. First show that each $f_n$ is a monotonically increasing or decreasing function in the range $[0,1]$, and hence $A_n$ lies between $f_n(0)$ and $f_n(1)$. Then note that
$f_n(0) = 1, frac{1}{2}, frac{2}{3}, frac{3}{5}, dots$
are the convergents of the continued fraction expansion of $phi$, and $f_n(1) = f_{n+1}(0)$. So we have
$frac{1}{2} le A_1 le 1$
$frac{1}{2} le A_2 le frac{2}{3}$
$frac{3}{5} le A_3 le frac{2}{3}$
and so on.
So the sequence $A_n$ is squeezed between consecutive convergents of the continued fraction expansion of $phi$. And so $lim_{n to infty} A_n = phi$.
Let $A_n = intlimits_0^1 f_n(x) dx$. First show that each $f_n$ is a monotonically increasing or decreasing function in the range $[0,1]$, and hence $A_n$ lies between $f_n(0)$ and $f_n(1)$. Then note that
$f_n(0) = 1, frac{1}{2}, frac{2}{3}, frac{3}{5}, dots$
are the convergents of the continued fraction expansion of $phi$, and $f_n(1) = f_{n+1}(0)$. So we have
$frac{1}{2} le A_1 le 1$
$frac{1}{2} le A_2 le frac{2}{3}$
$frac{3}{5} le A_3 le frac{2}{3}$
and so on.
So the sequence $A_n$ is squeezed between consecutive convergents of the continued fraction expansion of $phi$. And so $lim_{n to infty} A_n = phi$.
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Can you prove it is valid to change the position of $lim$ and $int$?
– Kemono Chen
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If we let the integrand of $A_n$ be $f_n$, then $f_{n+1}=1/(1+f_n)$. If $f_infty$ exists, then necessarily $$f_infty=1/(1+f_infty)implies f_infty^2+f_infty-1=0$$. Indeed, $f_inftyequiv frac{-1+sqrt 5}2$ is a constant function. The main problem is justifying the switching of order between integral and limit. Dominated convergence theorem surely will do the job.
– Szeto
9 hours ago
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@Szeto: Could you post your comment as an answer (with details)? ( ̄▽ ̄)
– Tianlalu
8 hours ago
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I think this is meant to be solved without that dominated convergence theorem as it is meant for first-year students.
– Jimmy Sabater
8 hours ago