Why shouldn't a bank robbery without threats be legal?











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So say a bank robber walks into a bank and hands the teller a note saying simply "please give me $1,000" (or maybe even just verbally saying "I need $1,000 please") and if the teller accepts, which they probably would because they're supposed to comply with the robber, he takes the the money, otherwise if they refuse, he leaves.



How is this different than say people asking for charity donations in the street? He just politely requested money without making any threats.










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    Who said that is not legal? Robbery without threats is no robbery. By definition, robbery includes violence, intimidation or the threat of force. The teller doesn't need to comply because a person saying "I need $1,000 please" is not a robber unless they threaten.
    – Greendrake
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    The teller thought it was a threat, or wouldn't have given you the money.
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    @gnasher729 I guess tellers need some objective reason to think that they're being threatened vs asked. Otherwise any silly beggar popped in a bank would be charged with robbery. At the end of the day, "I need $1,000 please" could mean an account holder wishing to withdraw cash.
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    @Greendrake: if you tell the cashier to give you $1,000 and the cashier does not feel threatened, he will simply say "no".
    – Martin Argerami
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    @MartinArgerami Actually rather than say no the cashier will probably just ask for your chip card or whatever means of identification the bank otherwise use for their customers.
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So say a bank robber walks into a bank and hands the teller a note saying simply "please give me $1,000" (or maybe even just verbally saying "I need $1,000 please") and if the teller accepts, which they probably would because they're supposed to comply with the robber, he takes the the money, otherwise if they refuse, he leaves.



How is this different than say people asking for charity donations in the street? He just politely requested money without making any threats.










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    Who said that is not legal? Robbery without threats is no robbery. By definition, robbery includes violence, intimidation or the threat of force. The teller doesn't need to comply because a person saying "I need $1,000 please" is not a robber unless they threaten.
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    The teller thought it was a threat, or wouldn't have given you the money.
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    @gnasher729 I guess tellers need some objective reason to think that they're being threatened vs asked. Otherwise any silly beggar popped in a bank would be charged with robbery. At the end of the day, "I need $1,000 please" could mean an account holder wishing to withdraw cash.
    – Greendrake
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    @Greendrake: if you tell the cashier to give you $1,000 and the cashier does not feel threatened, he will simply say "no".
    – Martin Argerami
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    @MartinArgerami Actually rather than say no the cashier will probably just ask for your chip card or whatever means of identification the bank otherwise use for their customers.
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So say a bank robber walks into a bank and hands the teller a note saying simply "please give me $1,000" (or maybe even just verbally saying "I need $1,000 please") and if the teller accepts, which they probably would because they're supposed to comply with the robber, he takes the the money, otherwise if they refuse, he leaves.



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So say a bank robber walks into a bank and hands the teller a note saying simply "please give me $1,000" (or maybe even just verbally saying "I need $1,000 please") and if the teller accepts, which they probably would because they're supposed to comply with the robber, he takes the the money, otherwise if they refuse, he leaves.



How is this different than say people asking for charity donations in the street? He just politely requested money without making any threats.







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    Who said that is not legal? Robbery without threats is no robbery. By definition, robbery includes violence, intimidation or the threat of force. The teller doesn't need to comply because a person saying "I need $1,000 please" is not a robber unless they threaten.
    – Greendrake
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    The teller thought it was a threat, or wouldn't have given you the money.
    – gnasher729
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    @gnasher729 I guess tellers need some objective reason to think that they're being threatened vs asked. Otherwise any silly beggar popped in a bank would be charged with robbery. At the end of the day, "I need $1,000 please" could mean an account holder wishing to withdraw cash.
    – Greendrake
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    @Greendrake: if you tell the cashier to give you $1,000 and the cashier does not feel threatened, he will simply say "no".
    – Martin Argerami
    yesterday






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    @MartinArgerami Actually rather than say no the cashier will probably just ask for your chip card or whatever means of identification the bank otherwise use for their customers.
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    Who said that is not legal? Robbery without threats is no robbery. By definition, robbery includes violence, intimidation or the threat of force. The teller doesn't need to comply because a person saying "I need $1,000 please" is not a robber unless they threaten.
    – Greendrake
    yesterday








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    The teller thought it was a threat, or wouldn't have given you the money.
    – gnasher729
    yesterday






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    @gnasher729 I guess tellers need some objective reason to think that they're being threatened vs asked. Otherwise any silly beggar popped in a bank would be charged with robbery. At the end of the day, "I need $1,000 please" could mean an account holder wishing to withdraw cash.
    – Greendrake
    yesterday








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    @Greendrake: if you tell the cashier to give you $1,000 and the cashier does not feel threatened, he will simply say "no".
    – Martin Argerami
    yesterday






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    @MartinArgerami Actually rather than say no the cashier will probably just ask for your chip card or whatever means of identification the bank otherwise use for their customers.
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Who said that is not legal? Robbery without threats is no robbery. By definition, robbery includes violence, intimidation or the threat of force. The teller doesn't need to comply because a person saying "I need $1,000 please" is not a robber unless they threaten.
– Greendrake
yesterday






Who said that is not legal? Robbery without threats is no robbery. By definition, robbery includes violence, intimidation or the threat of force. The teller doesn't need to comply because a person saying "I need $1,000 please" is not a robber unless they threaten.
– Greendrake
yesterday






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The teller thought it was a threat, or wouldn't have given you the money.
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The teller thought it was a threat, or wouldn't have given you the money.
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@gnasher729 I guess tellers need some objective reason to think that they're being threatened vs asked. Otherwise any silly beggar popped in a bank would be charged with robbery. At the end of the day, "I need $1,000 please" could mean an account holder wishing to withdraw cash.
– Greendrake
yesterday






@gnasher729 I guess tellers need some objective reason to think that they're being threatened vs asked. Otherwise any silly beggar popped in a bank would be charged with robbery. At the end of the day, "I need $1,000 please" could mean an account holder wishing to withdraw cash.
– Greendrake
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@Greendrake: if you tell the cashier to give you $1,000 and the cashier does not feel threatened, he will simply say "no".
– Martin Argerami
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@Greendrake: if you tell the cashier to give you $1,000 and the cashier does not feel threatened, he will simply say "no".
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@MartinArgerami Actually rather than say no the cashier will probably just ask for your chip card or whatever means of identification the bank otherwise use for their customers.
– kasperd
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@MartinArgerami Actually rather than say no the cashier will probably just ask for your chip card or whatever means of identification the bank otherwise use for their customers.
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As a concrete example, consider Missouri v. Coleman, where Coleman handed a teller a plastic bag and said "I need you to do me a favor. Put the money in this bag", and later as the manager approached, said "Ma'am, stop where you are and don't move any farther". Coleman was convicted of second degree robbery: but the appeals court found that he had not acted foribly, so his conviction was overturned. Instead, the court entered a conviction for the lesser offense of stealing which is when one




Appropriates property or services of another with the purpose to
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The act may also be termed "theft", as in Washington state. The thief is acting deceptively and thereby gaining control over property.






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  • I think this answer includes the most important point: A court may rule it not being robbery - but it's still a crime: theft.
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Generally, the law would not just look at the robber's literal words, but at how a reasonable person would understand them in context. And it will assume that the robber meant them to be understood in that way. Here, a reasonable person would understand such a note to be a threat of violence, so the law will assume the robber meant it as a threat.



Likewise, a mob boss who tells his associates to "take Joe for a ride" will not be able to avoid prosecution by insisting that he only told them to provide him with a pleasant sightseeing tour.






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    Mitchell and Webb did a sketch with a number of expressions similar to your "take Joe for a ride" example: youtube.com/watch?v=U6cake3bwnY
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How is this different than say people asking for charity donations in
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Context is everything.



Obviously, someone asking for charity donations on the street will present themselves as a legal charity, like the Salvation Army, etc. If you meant "charity" in the sense of someone panhandling Panhandling | (Merriam-Webster), most if not all people will take the asking for $1000 as an absurd request and keep walking. It's possible that someone may take offense and the police may deem it an attempt at mugging or stealing, depending on jurisdiction, and see user6726's answer.



But to walk into a bank and ask for $1000, the context is completely different. That's because a bank is where the money is. You don't usually walk into a bank for anything other than a financial transaction, either a legal or an attempted illegal transaction. As the (apocryphal) saying goes, Willie Sutton (Wikipedia) robbed banks "Because that's where the money is".



So while it's possible that a polite bank robber trying to not be aggressive may get away with robbery under a lesser charge, anyone in a bank requesting an illegal withdrawal - by any means - is still a bank robber, and 99% of the time, a jury and judge will see that.






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    You can't have it both ways. Either the person used words that cause the teller to fear that violence will occur if the money isn't given or they didn't. If the former, it's a threat. If the latter, the teller won't give them the money.



    If their words caused the teller to give them money because the teller feared violence, and this was the intended result of their words and not totally unexpected, that's the definition of using a threat of force to obtain a thing of value.



    The lack of use of force means, of course, that it's not a violent robbery. But if the teller feels threatened, it's a threat. If the teller doesn't, they won't give the person the money.






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    • -1. Why speculate of words used if the question gives two specific phrases "please give me $1,000" or "I need $1,000 please".
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    • @Greendrake Because it is a complex, fact-specific question whether those words would be a threat in the circumstances or not. But what is undeniable is that either they are or they aren't, and my answer covers both cases.
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      @Greendrake For example, suppose someone walks up to you on the street and says, "Please give me your wallet", and you do. Whether or not they committed theft doesn't depend on a complex analysis of the phrase "Please give me your wallet" but an analysis of the facts and circumstances under which they said it and whether that would make someone feel threatened. Was it dark? Was it late? Were they armed? Did they block your path? What tone of voice did they use? And so on. The words alone aren't what gets analyzed.
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      @Greendrake Whatever. Either it is a threat or it isn't. If it's a threat, then the robbery was accomplished by means of a threat. If it isn't a threat, then the person wouldn't feel threatened and wouldn't turn over money. You can't have it both ways -- if you pick words that cause the person to turn over the money because he fears what the robber might do, then you've taken funds by threat. If you don't, then you won't get any money. It's really not complicated.
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      That seems pretty clearly wrong. I don't know of any jurisdiction where guilt turns simply on the words you choose. If you have no intent to cause fear, but happen to be dealing with someone especially fearful, that doesn't by itself expose you to liability. If you try to cause fear but choose words that just happen to fail, you're still facing liability for an attempted robbery.
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    Robbery is theft carried out through force or the threat of force. The most important part of your hypothetical is that you're saying the person asks for money without making a threat (and presumably without force).



    If that is the case, the person is not a robber and the transaction is not a robbery. It is, like you said, the equivalent of a request for a charitable donation, and it is legal.






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      I don't believe this is true. Say I was working in a bank. If someone came into a bank and politely asked to put the money in the bag, I would assume that they are simply trying not to make a scene but will still shoot me dead if I refuse.
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      @forest: your assumption is not enough for a conviction. A court can find "any reasonable person would have taken this as a threat"; but if it doesn't there's no crime.
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      @forest There's a difference between saying you need $1,000 (as the OP said) and telling someone to "put the money in the bag," isn't there?
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      There seems to be a strange pattern of people disputing the answer because they're imagining facts that are different from what the OP asked about. The question is about merely asking for money, "without threats." If there were elements of fraud or deception, then yes, you'd obviously have to consider those charges. There are no elements of fraud or deception in the hypothetical posed by the question.
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      I have to completely disagree. I think the fact that the question is purportedly about robbery has infected your thinking. I'd be willing to bet $1,000 that if I walked into a bank and told the teller, "I need $1,000 please," she would just ask me for my account number. That is exactly what happens in banks, all day long, every single day.
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    As a concrete example, consider Missouri v. Coleman, where Coleman handed a teller a plastic bag and said "I need you to do me a favor. Put the money in this bag", and later as the manager approached, said "Ma'am, stop where you are and don't move any farther". Coleman was convicted of second degree robbery: but the appeals court found that he had not acted foribly, so his conviction was overturned. Instead, the court entered a conviction for the lesser offense of stealing which is when one




    Appropriates property or services of another with the purpose to
    deprive him or her thereof, either without his or her consent or by
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    The act may also be termed "theft", as in Washington state. The thief is acting deceptively and thereby gaining control over property.






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    As a concrete example, consider Missouri v. Coleman, where Coleman handed a teller a plastic bag and said "I need you to do me a favor. Put the money in this bag", and later as the manager approached, said "Ma'am, stop where you are and don't move any farther". Coleman was convicted of second degree robbery: but the appeals court found that he had not acted foribly, so his conviction was overturned. Instead, the court entered a conviction for the lesser offense of stealing which is when one




    Appropriates property or services of another with the purpose to
    deprive him or her thereof, either without his or her consent or by
    means of deceit or coercion




    The act may also be termed "theft", as in Washington state. The thief is acting deceptively and thereby gaining control over property.






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    As a concrete example, consider Missouri v. Coleman, where Coleman handed a teller a plastic bag and said "I need you to do me a favor. Put the money in this bag", and later as the manager approached, said "Ma'am, stop where you are and don't move any farther". Coleman was convicted of second degree robbery: but the appeals court found that he had not acted foribly, so his conviction was overturned. Instead, the court entered a conviction for the lesser offense of stealing which is when one




    Appropriates property or services of another with the purpose to
    deprive him or her thereof, either without his or her consent or by
    means of deceit or coercion




    The act may also be termed "theft", as in Washington state. The thief is acting deceptively and thereby gaining control over property.






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    As a concrete example, consider Missouri v. Coleman, where Coleman handed a teller a plastic bag and said "I need you to do me a favor. Put the money in this bag", and later as the manager approached, said "Ma'am, stop where you are and don't move any farther". Coleman was convicted of second degree robbery: but the appeals court found that he had not acted foribly, so his conviction was overturned. Instead, the court entered a conviction for the lesser offense of stealing which is when one




    Appropriates property or services of another with the purpose to
    deprive him or her thereof, either without his or her consent or by
    means of deceit or coercion




    The act may also be termed "theft", as in Washington state. The thief is acting deceptively and thereby gaining control over property.







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    • I think this answer includes the most important point: A court may rule it not being robbery - but it's still a crime: theft.
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    I think this answer includes the most important point: A court may rule it not being robbery - but it's still a crime: theft.
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    I think this answer includes the most important point: A court may rule it not being robbery - but it's still a crime: theft.
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    Generally, the law would not just look at the robber's literal words, but at how a reasonable person would understand them in context. And it will assume that the robber meant them to be understood in that way. Here, a reasonable person would understand such a note to be a threat of violence, so the law will assume the robber meant it as a threat.



    Likewise, a mob boss who tells his associates to "take Joe for a ride" will not be able to avoid prosecution by insisting that he only told them to provide him with a pleasant sightseeing tour.






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      Mitchell and Webb did a sketch with a number of expressions similar to your "take Joe for a ride" example: youtube.com/watch?v=U6cake3bwnY
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    • @kasperd Won't think of "light refreshments" the same way again
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    Generally, the law would not just look at the robber's literal words, but at how a reasonable person would understand them in context. And it will assume that the robber meant them to be understood in that way. Here, a reasonable person would understand such a note to be a threat of violence, so the law will assume the robber meant it as a threat.



    Likewise, a mob boss who tells his associates to "take Joe for a ride" will not be able to avoid prosecution by insisting that he only told them to provide him with a pleasant sightseeing tour.






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      Mitchell and Webb did a sketch with a number of expressions similar to your "take Joe for a ride" example: youtube.com/watch?v=U6cake3bwnY
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    • @kasperd Won't think of "light refreshments" the same way again
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    Generally, the law would not just look at the robber's literal words, but at how a reasonable person would understand them in context. And it will assume that the robber meant them to be understood in that way. Here, a reasonable person would understand such a note to be a threat of violence, so the law will assume the robber meant it as a threat.



    Likewise, a mob boss who tells his associates to "take Joe for a ride" will not be able to avoid prosecution by insisting that he only told them to provide him with a pleasant sightseeing tour.






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    Generally, the law would not just look at the robber's literal words, but at how a reasonable person would understand them in context. And it will assume that the robber meant them to be understood in that way. Here, a reasonable person would understand such a note to be a threat of violence, so the law will assume the robber meant it as a threat.



    Likewise, a mob boss who tells his associates to "take Joe for a ride" will not be able to avoid prosecution by insisting that he only told them to provide him with a pleasant sightseeing tour.







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      Mitchell and Webb did a sketch with a number of expressions similar to your "take Joe for a ride" example: youtube.com/watch?v=U6cake3bwnY
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    • @kasperd Won't think of "light refreshments" the same way again
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    • Or, famously, "wouldn't want anything to happen to it"...
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      Mitchell and Webb did a sketch with a number of expressions similar to your "take Joe for a ride" example: youtube.com/watch?v=U6cake3bwnY
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    • @kasperd Won't think of "light refreshments" the same way again
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    • Or, famously, "wouldn't want anything to happen to it"...
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    Mitchell and Webb did a sketch with a number of expressions similar to your "take Joe for a ride" example: youtube.com/watch?v=U6cake3bwnY
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    Mitchell and Webb did a sketch with a number of expressions similar to your "take Joe for a ride" example: youtube.com/watch?v=U6cake3bwnY
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    @kasperd Won't think of "light refreshments" the same way again
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    @kasperd Won't think of "light refreshments" the same way again
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    Or, famously, "wouldn't want anything to happen to it"...
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    Or, famously, "wouldn't want anything to happen to it"...
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    How is this different than say people asking for charity donations in
    the street?




    Context is everything.



    Obviously, someone asking for charity donations on the street will present themselves as a legal charity, like the Salvation Army, etc. If you meant "charity" in the sense of someone panhandling Panhandling | (Merriam-Webster), most if not all people will take the asking for $1000 as an absurd request and keep walking. It's possible that someone may take offense and the police may deem it an attempt at mugging or stealing, depending on jurisdiction, and see user6726's answer.



    But to walk into a bank and ask for $1000, the context is completely different. That's because a bank is where the money is. You don't usually walk into a bank for anything other than a financial transaction, either a legal or an attempted illegal transaction. As the (apocryphal) saying goes, Willie Sutton (Wikipedia) robbed banks "Because that's where the money is".



    So while it's possible that a polite bank robber trying to not be aggressive may get away with robbery under a lesser charge, anyone in a bank requesting an illegal withdrawal - by any means - is still a bank robber, and 99% of the time, a jury and judge will see that.






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      How is this different than say people asking for charity donations in
      the street?




      Context is everything.



      Obviously, someone asking for charity donations on the street will present themselves as a legal charity, like the Salvation Army, etc. If you meant "charity" in the sense of someone panhandling Panhandling | (Merriam-Webster), most if not all people will take the asking for $1000 as an absurd request and keep walking. It's possible that someone may take offense and the police may deem it an attempt at mugging or stealing, depending on jurisdiction, and see user6726's answer.



      But to walk into a bank and ask for $1000, the context is completely different. That's because a bank is where the money is. You don't usually walk into a bank for anything other than a financial transaction, either a legal or an attempted illegal transaction. As the (apocryphal) saying goes, Willie Sutton (Wikipedia) robbed banks "Because that's where the money is".



      So while it's possible that a polite bank robber trying to not be aggressive may get away with robbery under a lesser charge, anyone in a bank requesting an illegal withdrawal - by any means - is still a bank robber, and 99% of the time, a jury and judge will see that.






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        up vote
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        up vote
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        How is this different than say people asking for charity donations in
        the street?




        Context is everything.



        Obviously, someone asking for charity donations on the street will present themselves as a legal charity, like the Salvation Army, etc. If you meant "charity" in the sense of someone panhandling Panhandling | (Merriam-Webster), most if not all people will take the asking for $1000 as an absurd request and keep walking. It's possible that someone may take offense and the police may deem it an attempt at mugging or stealing, depending on jurisdiction, and see user6726's answer.



        But to walk into a bank and ask for $1000, the context is completely different. That's because a bank is where the money is. You don't usually walk into a bank for anything other than a financial transaction, either a legal or an attempted illegal transaction. As the (apocryphal) saying goes, Willie Sutton (Wikipedia) robbed banks "Because that's where the money is".



        So while it's possible that a polite bank robber trying to not be aggressive may get away with robbery under a lesser charge, anyone in a bank requesting an illegal withdrawal - by any means - is still a bank robber, and 99% of the time, a jury and judge will see that.






        share|improve this answer















        How is this different than say people asking for charity donations in
        the street?




        Context is everything.



        Obviously, someone asking for charity donations on the street will present themselves as a legal charity, like the Salvation Army, etc. If you meant "charity" in the sense of someone panhandling Panhandling | (Merriam-Webster), most if not all people will take the asking for $1000 as an absurd request and keep walking. It's possible that someone may take offense and the police may deem it an attempt at mugging or stealing, depending on jurisdiction, and see user6726's answer.



        But to walk into a bank and ask for $1000, the context is completely different. That's because a bank is where the money is. You don't usually walk into a bank for anything other than a financial transaction, either a legal or an attempted illegal transaction. As the (apocryphal) saying goes, Willie Sutton (Wikipedia) robbed banks "Because that's where the money is".



        So while it's possible that a polite bank robber trying to not be aggressive may get away with robbery under a lesser charge, anyone in a bank requesting an illegal withdrawal - by any means - is still a bank robber, and 99% of the time, a jury and judge will see that.







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            You can't have it both ways. Either the person used words that cause the teller to fear that violence will occur if the money isn't given or they didn't. If the former, it's a threat. If the latter, the teller won't give them the money.



            If their words caused the teller to give them money because the teller feared violence, and this was the intended result of their words and not totally unexpected, that's the definition of using a threat of force to obtain a thing of value.



            The lack of use of force means, of course, that it's not a violent robbery. But if the teller feels threatened, it's a threat. If the teller doesn't, they won't give the person the money.






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            • -1. Why speculate of words used if the question gives two specific phrases "please give me $1,000" or "I need $1,000 please".
              – Greendrake
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            • @Greendrake Because it is a complex, fact-specific question whether those words would be a threat in the circumstances or not. But what is undeniable is that either they are or they aren't, and my answer covers both cases.
              – David Schwartz
              6 hours ago






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              @Greendrake For example, suppose someone walks up to you on the street and says, "Please give me your wallet", and you do. Whether or not they committed theft doesn't depend on a complex analysis of the phrase "Please give me your wallet" but an analysis of the facts and circumstances under which they said it and whether that would make someone feel threatened. Was it dark? Was it late? Were they armed? Did they block your path? What tone of voice did they use? And so on. The words alone aren't what gets analyzed.
              – David Schwartz
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              @Greendrake Whatever. Either it is a threat or it isn't. If it's a threat, then the robbery was accomplished by means of a threat. If it isn't a threat, then the person wouldn't feel threatened and wouldn't turn over money. You can't have it both ways -- if you pick words that cause the person to turn over the money because he fears what the robber might do, then you've taken funds by threat. If you don't, then you won't get any money. It's really not complicated.
              – David Schwartz
              5 hours ago






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              That seems pretty clearly wrong. I don't know of any jurisdiction where guilt turns simply on the words you choose. If you have no intent to cause fear, but happen to be dealing with someone especially fearful, that doesn't by itself expose you to liability. If you try to cause fear but choose words that just happen to fail, you're still facing liability for an attempted robbery.
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            You can't have it both ways. Either the person used words that cause the teller to fear that violence will occur if the money isn't given or they didn't. If the former, it's a threat. If the latter, the teller won't give them the money.



            If their words caused the teller to give them money because the teller feared violence, and this was the intended result of their words and not totally unexpected, that's the definition of using a threat of force to obtain a thing of value.



            The lack of use of force means, of course, that it's not a violent robbery. But if the teller feels threatened, it's a threat. If the teller doesn't, they won't give the person the money.






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            • -1. Why speculate of words used if the question gives two specific phrases "please give me $1,000" or "I need $1,000 please".
              – Greendrake
              10 hours ago










            • @Greendrake Because it is a complex, fact-specific question whether those words would be a threat in the circumstances or not. But what is undeniable is that either they are or they aren't, and my answer covers both cases.
              – David Schwartz
              6 hours ago






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              @Greendrake For example, suppose someone walks up to you on the street and says, "Please give me your wallet", and you do. Whether or not they committed theft doesn't depend on a complex analysis of the phrase "Please give me your wallet" but an analysis of the facts and circumstances under which they said it and whether that would make someone feel threatened. Was it dark? Was it late? Were they armed? Did they block your path? What tone of voice did they use? And so on. The words alone aren't what gets analyzed.
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              @Greendrake Whatever. Either it is a threat or it isn't. If it's a threat, then the robbery was accomplished by means of a threat. If it isn't a threat, then the person wouldn't feel threatened and wouldn't turn over money. You can't have it both ways -- if you pick words that cause the person to turn over the money because he fears what the robber might do, then you've taken funds by threat. If you don't, then you won't get any money. It's really not complicated.
              – David Schwartz
              5 hours ago






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              That seems pretty clearly wrong. I don't know of any jurisdiction where guilt turns simply on the words you choose. If you have no intent to cause fear, but happen to be dealing with someone especially fearful, that doesn't by itself expose you to liability. If you try to cause fear but choose words that just happen to fail, you're still facing liability for an attempted robbery.
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            You can't have it both ways. Either the person used words that cause the teller to fear that violence will occur if the money isn't given or they didn't. If the former, it's a threat. If the latter, the teller won't give them the money.



            If their words caused the teller to give them money because the teller feared violence, and this was the intended result of their words and not totally unexpected, that's the definition of using a threat of force to obtain a thing of value.



            The lack of use of force means, of course, that it's not a violent robbery. But if the teller feels threatened, it's a threat. If the teller doesn't, they won't give the person the money.






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            You can't have it both ways. Either the person used words that cause the teller to fear that violence will occur if the money isn't given or they didn't. If the former, it's a threat. If the latter, the teller won't give them the money.



            If their words caused the teller to give them money because the teller feared violence, and this was the intended result of their words and not totally unexpected, that's the definition of using a threat of force to obtain a thing of value.



            The lack of use of force means, of course, that it's not a violent robbery. But if the teller feels threatened, it's a threat. If the teller doesn't, they won't give the person the money.







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            • -1. Why speculate of words used if the question gives two specific phrases "please give me $1,000" or "I need $1,000 please".
              – Greendrake
              10 hours ago










            • @Greendrake Because it is a complex, fact-specific question whether those words would be a threat in the circumstances or not. But what is undeniable is that either they are or they aren't, and my answer covers both cases.
              – David Schwartz
              6 hours ago






            • 2




              @Greendrake For example, suppose someone walks up to you on the street and says, "Please give me your wallet", and you do. Whether or not they committed theft doesn't depend on a complex analysis of the phrase "Please give me your wallet" but an analysis of the facts and circumstances under which they said it and whether that would make someone feel threatened. Was it dark? Was it late? Were they armed? Did they block your path? What tone of voice did they use? And so on. The words alone aren't what gets analyzed.
              – David Schwartz
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              @Greendrake Whatever. Either it is a threat or it isn't. If it's a threat, then the robbery was accomplished by means of a threat. If it isn't a threat, then the person wouldn't feel threatened and wouldn't turn over money. You can't have it both ways -- if you pick words that cause the person to turn over the money because he fears what the robber might do, then you've taken funds by threat. If you don't, then you won't get any money. It's really not complicated.
              – David Schwartz
              5 hours ago






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              That seems pretty clearly wrong. I don't know of any jurisdiction where guilt turns simply on the words you choose. If you have no intent to cause fear, but happen to be dealing with someone especially fearful, that doesn't by itself expose you to liability. If you try to cause fear but choose words that just happen to fail, you're still facing liability for an attempted robbery.
              – bdb484
              5 hours ago




















            • -1. Why speculate of words used if the question gives two specific phrases "please give me $1,000" or "I need $1,000 please".
              – Greendrake
              10 hours ago










            • @Greendrake Because it is a complex, fact-specific question whether those words would be a threat in the circumstances or not. But what is undeniable is that either they are or they aren't, and my answer covers both cases.
              – David Schwartz
              6 hours ago






            • 2




              @Greendrake For example, suppose someone walks up to you on the street and says, "Please give me your wallet", and you do. Whether or not they committed theft doesn't depend on a complex analysis of the phrase "Please give me your wallet" but an analysis of the facts and circumstances under which they said it and whether that would make someone feel threatened. Was it dark? Was it late? Were they armed? Did they block your path? What tone of voice did they use? And so on. The words alone aren't what gets analyzed.
              – David Schwartz
              6 hours ago








            • 2




              @Greendrake Whatever. Either it is a threat or it isn't. If it's a threat, then the robbery was accomplished by means of a threat. If it isn't a threat, then the person wouldn't feel threatened and wouldn't turn over money. You can't have it both ways -- if you pick words that cause the person to turn over the money because he fears what the robber might do, then you've taken funds by threat. If you don't, then you won't get any money. It's really not complicated.
              – David Schwartz
              5 hours ago






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              That seems pretty clearly wrong. I don't know of any jurisdiction where guilt turns simply on the words you choose. If you have no intent to cause fear, but happen to be dealing with someone especially fearful, that doesn't by itself expose you to liability. If you try to cause fear but choose words that just happen to fail, you're still facing liability for an attempted robbery.
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            -1. Why speculate of words used if the question gives two specific phrases "please give me $1,000" or "I need $1,000 please".
            – Greendrake
            10 hours ago




            -1. Why speculate of words used if the question gives two specific phrases "please give me $1,000" or "I need $1,000 please".
            – Greendrake
            10 hours ago












            @Greendrake Because it is a complex, fact-specific question whether those words would be a threat in the circumstances or not. But what is undeniable is that either they are or they aren't, and my answer covers both cases.
            – David Schwartz
            6 hours ago




            @Greendrake Because it is a complex, fact-specific question whether those words would be a threat in the circumstances or not. But what is undeniable is that either they are or they aren't, and my answer covers both cases.
            – David Schwartz
            6 hours ago




            2




            2




            @Greendrake For example, suppose someone walks up to you on the street and says, "Please give me your wallet", and you do. Whether or not they committed theft doesn't depend on a complex analysis of the phrase "Please give me your wallet" but an analysis of the facts and circumstances under which they said it and whether that would make someone feel threatened. Was it dark? Was it late? Were they armed? Did they block your path? What tone of voice did they use? And so on. The words alone aren't what gets analyzed.
            – David Schwartz
            6 hours ago






            @Greendrake For example, suppose someone walks up to you on the street and says, "Please give me your wallet", and you do. Whether or not they committed theft doesn't depend on a complex analysis of the phrase "Please give me your wallet" but an analysis of the facts and circumstances under which they said it and whether that would make someone feel threatened. Was it dark? Was it late? Were they armed? Did they block your path? What tone of voice did they use? And so on. The words alone aren't what gets analyzed.
            – David Schwartz
            6 hours ago






            2




            2




            @Greendrake Whatever. Either it is a threat or it isn't. If it's a threat, then the robbery was accomplished by means of a threat. If it isn't a threat, then the person wouldn't feel threatened and wouldn't turn over money. You can't have it both ways -- if you pick words that cause the person to turn over the money because he fears what the robber might do, then you've taken funds by threat. If you don't, then you won't get any money. It's really not complicated.
            – David Schwartz
            5 hours ago




            @Greendrake Whatever. Either it is a threat or it isn't. If it's a threat, then the robbery was accomplished by means of a threat. If it isn't a threat, then the person wouldn't feel threatened and wouldn't turn over money. You can't have it both ways -- if you pick words that cause the person to turn over the money because he fears what the robber might do, then you've taken funds by threat. If you don't, then you won't get any money. It's really not complicated.
            – David Schwartz
            5 hours ago




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            That seems pretty clearly wrong. I don't know of any jurisdiction where guilt turns simply on the words you choose. If you have no intent to cause fear, but happen to be dealing with someone especially fearful, that doesn't by itself expose you to liability. If you try to cause fear but choose words that just happen to fail, you're still facing liability for an attempted robbery.
            – bdb484
            5 hours ago






            That seems pretty clearly wrong. I don't know of any jurisdiction where guilt turns simply on the words you choose. If you have no intent to cause fear, but happen to be dealing with someone especially fearful, that doesn't by itself expose you to liability. If you try to cause fear but choose words that just happen to fail, you're still facing liability for an attempted robbery.
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            Robbery is theft carried out through force or the threat of force. The most important part of your hypothetical is that you're saying the person asks for money without making a threat (and presumably without force).



            If that is the case, the person is not a robber and the transaction is not a robbery. It is, like you said, the equivalent of a request for a charitable donation, and it is legal.






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              I don't believe this is true. Say I was working in a bank. If someone came into a bank and politely asked to put the money in the bag, I would assume that they are simply trying not to make a scene but will still shoot me dead if I refuse.
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              @forest: your assumption is not enough for a conviction. A court can find "any reasonable person would have taken this as a threat"; but if it doesn't there's no crime.
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              21 hours ago






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              @forest There's a difference between saying you need $1,000 (as the OP said) and telling someone to "put the money in the bag," isn't there?
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              There seems to be a strange pattern of people disputing the answer because they're imagining facts that are different from what the OP asked about. The question is about merely asking for money, "without threats." If there were elements of fraud or deception, then yes, you'd obviously have to consider those charges. There are no elements of fraud or deception in the hypothetical posed by the question.
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              I have to completely disagree. I think the fact that the question is purportedly about robbery has infected your thinking. I'd be willing to bet $1,000 that if I walked into a bank and told the teller, "I need $1,000 please," she would just ask me for my account number. That is exactly what happens in banks, all day long, every single day.
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            Robbery is theft carried out through force or the threat of force. The most important part of your hypothetical is that you're saying the person asks for money without making a threat (and presumably without force).



            If that is the case, the person is not a robber and the transaction is not a robbery. It is, like you said, the equivalent of a request for a charitable donation, and it is legal.






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              I don't believe this is true. Say I was working in a bank. If someone came into a bank and politely asked to put the money in the bag, I would assume that they are simply trying not to make a scene but will still shoot me dead if I refuse.
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              @forest: your assumption is not enough for a conviction. A court can find "any reasonable person would have taken this as a threat"; but if it doesn't there's no crime.
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              21 hours ago






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              @forest There's a difference between saying you need $1,000 (as the OP said) and telling someone to "put the money in the bag," isn't there?
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              There seems to be a strange pattern of people disputing the answer because they're imagining facts that are different from what the OP asked about. The question is about merely asking for money, "without threats." If there were elements of fraud or deception, then yes, you'd obviously have to consider those charges. There are no elements of fraud or deception in the hypothetical posed by the question.
              – bdb484
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              I have to completely disagree. I think the fact that the question is purportedly about robbery has infected your thinking. I'd be willing to bet $1,000 that if I walked into a bank and told the teller, "I need $1,000 please," she would just ask me for my account number. That is exactly what happens in banks, all day long, every single day.
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            Robbery is theft carried out through force or the threat of force. The most important part of your hypothetical is that you're saying the person asks for money without making a threat (and presumably without force).



            If that is the case, the person is not a robber and the transaction is not a robbery. It is, like you said, the equivalent of a request for a charitable donation, and it is legal.






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            Robbery is theft carried out through force or the threat of force. The most important part of your hypothetical is that you're saying the person asks for money without making a threat (and presumably without force).



            If that is the case, the person is not a robber and the transaction is not a robbery. It is, like you said, the equivalent of a request for a charitable donation, and it is legal.







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              I don't believe this is true. Say I was working in a bank. If someone came into a bank and politely asked to put the money in the bag, I would assume that they are simply trying not to make a scene but will still shoot me dead if I refuse.
              – forest
              yesterday








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              @forest: your assumption is not enough for a conviction. A court can find "any reasonable person would have taken this as a threat"; but if it doesn't there's no crime.
              – Tim Lymington
              21 hours ago






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              @forest There's a difference between saying you need $1,000 (as the OP said) and telling someone to "put the money in the bag," isn't there?
              – bdb484
              20 hours ago








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              There seems to be a strange pattern of people disputing the answer because they're imagining facts that are different from what the OP asked about. The question is about merely asking for money, "without threats." If there were elements of fraud or deception, then yes, you'd obviously have to consider those charges. There are no elements of fraud or deception in the hypothetical posed by the question.
              – bdb484
              14 hours ago






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              I have to completely disagree. I think the fact that the question is purportedly about robbery has infected your thinking. I'd be willing to bet $1,000 that if I walked into a bank and told the teller, "I need $1,000 please," she would just ask me for my account number. That is exactly what happens in banks, all day long, every single day.
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            • 1




              I don't believe this is true. Say I was working in a bank. If someone came into a bank and politely asked to put the money in the bag, I would assume that they are simply trying not to make a scene but will still shoot me dead if I refuse.
              – forest
              yesterday








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              @forest: your assumption is not enough for a conviction. A court can find "any reasonable person would have taken this as a threat"; but if it doesn't there's no crime.
              – Tim Lymington
              21 hours ago






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              @forest There's a difference between saying you need $1,000 (as the OP said) and telling someone to "put the money in the bag," isn't there?
              – bdb484
              20 hours ago








            • 3




              There seems to be a strange pattern of people disputing the answer because they're imagining facts that are different from what the OP asked about. The question is about merely asking for money, "without threats." If there were elements of fraud or deception, then yes, you'd obviously have to consider those charges. There are no elements of fraud or deception in the hypothetical posed by the question.
              – bdb484
              14 hours ago






            • 4




              I have to completely disagree. I think the fact that the question is purportedly about robbery has infected your thinking. I'd be willing to bet $1,000 that if I walked into a bank and told the teller, "I need $1,000 please," she would just ask me for my account number. That is exactly what happens in banks, all day long, every single day.
              – bdb484
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            I don't believe this is true. Say I was working in a bank. If someone came into a bank and politely asked to put the money in the bag, I would assume that they are simply trying not to make a scene but will still shoot me dead if I refuse.
            – forest
            yesterday






            I don't believe this is true. Say I was working in a bank. If someone came into a bank and politely asked to put the money in the bag, I would assume that they are simply trying not to make a scene but will still shoot me dead if I refuse.
            – forest
            yesterday






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            @forest: your assumption is not enough for a conviction. A court can find "any reasonable person would have taken this as a threat"; but if it doesn't there's no crime.
            – Tim Lymington
            21 hours ago




            @forest: your assumption is not enough for a conviction. A court can find "any reasonable person would have taken this as a threat"; but if it doesn't there's no crime.
            – Tim Lymington
            21 hours ago




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            @forest There's a difference between saying you need $1,000 (as the OP said) and telling someone to "put the money in the bag," isn't there?
            – bdb484
            20 hours ago






            @forest There's a difference between saying you need $1,000 (as the OP said) and telling someone to "put the money in the bag," isn't there?
            – bdb484
            20 hours ago






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            3




            There seems to be a strange pattern of people disputing the answer because they're imagining facts that are different from what the OP asked about. The question is about merely asking for money, "without threats." If there were elements of fraud or deception, then yes, you'd obviously have to consider those charges. There are no elements of fraud or deception in the hypothetical posed by the question.
            – bdb484
            14 hours ago




            There seems to be a strange pattern of people disputing the answer because they're imagining facts that are different from what the OP asked about. The question is about merely asking for money, "without threats." If there were elements of fraud or deception, then yes, you'd obviously have to consider those charges. There are no elements of fraud or deception in the hypothetical posed by the question.
            – bdb484
            14 hours ago




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            I have to completely disagree. I think the fact that the question is purportedly about robbery has infected your thinking. I'd be willing to bet $1,000 that if I walked into a bank and told the teller, "I need $1,000 please," she would just ask me for my account number. That is exactly what happens in banks, all day long, every single day.
            – bdb484
            9 hours ago






            I have to completely disagree. I think the fact that the question is purportedly about robbery has infected your thinking. I'd be willing to bet $1,000 that if I walked into a bank and told the teller, "I need $1,000 please," she would just ask me for my account number. That is exactly what happens in banks, all day long, every single day.
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